Next generation Ram

[bighog01]

Is anyone else excited for the next generation Rams? Specifically the HD's..I'll be in the market for a new dually when it does happen. Surprisingly I've heard very little about it, besides being a few more years. Seems like Chevy and Ford have had a few redesigns since the current Ram has been around.

[alboy]

Its my understanding they put the big C in most applications that dont need to go Fast.

[Me_Again]

Grit dog wrote:


Not playin Ram mafia here but AnY of the 100s of mfgs that use Cummins diesels in their machines could have chose any engine they wanted. You think Isuzu or GM would have turned them down if they wanted to buy 100,000 engines to run boats, generators, cranes, whatever? Nope
The big C is pretty much the gold standard for light/med duty diesels. Proof is in the numbers.

What he said^^^^!

[Grit_dog]

You guys are hilarious.
Who the f cares?
I got a Dodge with a Cummins engine.
A Mercedes in a Dodge wrapper with a Dodge engine.
And a boat with a Chevy small block but it says indmar, so maybe it's not a Chevy???

Chit, worst part is my Arctic cat quad has a Suzuki engine, so does the Acat sled and one mower has a Koehler, the other a Kawasaki....

Must all be junk since they don't have "in house" engines.
Not knocking the Dmax, I'd rock another one of them with pride. Last one was a rocket!
But it's really an Isuzu. Or used to be anyway. Old powder smokes were corn binders.

Not playin Ram mafia here but AnY of the 100s of mfgs that use Cummins diesels in their machines could have chose any engine they wanted. You think Isuzu or GM would have turned them down if they wanted to buy 100,000 engines to run boats, generators, cranes, whatever? Nope
The big C is pretty much the gold standard for light/med duty diesels. Proof is in the numbers.

[Me_Again]

Bionic Man wrote:
Volvo has done outdrives. I am unaware of any Volvo engines in boats though. They are almost all Chevys.

But that is going away as well. Malibu has gone in house for their engines. And Mercury Marine now has their own V6 and V8.

Are we sufficiently off topic now?

Volvo used their I4 gas and I-6 diesels for marine use. I believe Mercury Marine did the engineering on the Aluminum block small block GM's.

[Bionic_Man]

Volvo has done outdrives. I am unaware of any Volvo engines in boats though. They are almost all Chevys.

But that is going away as well. Malibu has gone in house for their engines. And Mercury Marine now has their own V6 and V8.

Are we sufficiently off topic now?

[Me_Again]

patriotgrunt wrote:

Me Again wrote:

Bedlam wrote:

Me Again wrote:
What? No Duramax or Powerstroke engines in school buses? Oh wait, those two are not true medium duty engines.

B.S. was already called on your previous statements of the same with samples cited. Please revisit your old posts and refresh your memory by rereading those threads.

Simple fact is that the Cummins is used across many platforms from many manufactures, like the buses noted in this thread about the RAM and the Cummins engine. The Duramax is used mostly in-house and the powerstroke is used almost exclusively in-house. Boats are full of Cummins engines and not the other two.

That doesn't mean that the others aren't true medium engines. It just means that Cummins is entirely dependent upon other manufacturers to use their product. Ford and GM can survive without needing their engines in buses, semis, boats and thus spend more time and resources building vehicles.

For years GM has supplied 100,000's gas engines to the marine industry. From Iron Duke I-4's, I-6's, V-6's small block V-8's and big block V-8's. Ford has supplied a lot of gas engines, however a smaller number. Chrysler supplied many gas engines in the 50's and 60's for marine use. This for all three did not translate in diesel engines.

I would note that Volvo sold both gas and diesel engines into the marine applications.

[patriotgrunt]

Me Again wrote:

Bedlam wrote:

Me Again wrote:
What? No Duramax or Powerstroke engines in school buses? Oh wait, those two are not true medium duty engines.

B.S. was already called on your previous statements of the same with samples cited. Please revisit your old posts and refresh your memory by rereading those threads.

Simple fact is that the Cummins is used across many platforms from many manufactures, like the buses noted in this thread about the RAM and the Cummins engine. The Duramax is used mostly in-house and the powerstroke is used almost exclusively in-house. Boats are full of Cummins engines and not the other two.

That doesn't mean that the others aren't true medium engines. It just means that Cummins is entirely dependent upon other manufacturers to use their product. Ford and GM can survive without needing their engines in buses, semis, boats and thus spend more time and resources building vehicles.

[mich800]

Me Again wrote:

Bedlam wrote:

Me Again wrote:
What? No Duramax or Powerstroke engines in school buses? Oh wait, those two are not true medium duty engines.

B.S. was already called on your previous statements of the same with samples cited. Please revisit your old posts and refresh your memory by rereading those threads.

Simple fact is that the Cummins is used across many platforms from many manufactures, like the buses noted in this thread about the RAM and the Cummins engine. The Duramax is used mostly in-house and the powerstroke is used almost exclusively in-house. Boats are full of Cummins engines and not the other two.

Who cares? That is some twisted logic to accept your hypothesis. Maybe the question should be why cannot the other manufactures build the whole package without the lego ala carte plan.

[Me_Again]

Bedlam wrote:

Me Again wrote:
What? No Duramax or Powerstroke engines in school buses? Oh wait, those two are not true medium duty engines.

B.S. was already called on your previous statements of the same with samples cited. Please revisit your old posts and refresh your memory by rereading those threads.

Simple fact is that the Cummins is used across many platforms from many manufactures, like the buses noted in this thread about the RAM and the Cummins engine. The Duramax is used mostly in-house and the powerstroke is used almost exclusively in-house. Boats are full of Cummins engines and not the other two.

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

I'm assuming fuel economy will be an improvement, but what about power?

Edit: Duh.... Missed the article. Not sure how the start/stop feature will work in stop in go driving but perhaps its part of how they meet the emissions requirements.

Engine not running = No emissions to worry about.

I don't think start/stop feature is mainly for the pickup version of these engines. The availability of a start/stop feature embedded in the software is probably mainly for vocational medium duty customers of these engine.

About a decade ago, Cummins was working with Parker Hannifin on a their hybrid RunWise refuse trucks. The trucks had Cummins engines for highway use and a hydrostatic drive to use during the stop and go driving in the neighborhoods picking up trash. The hydrostatic drive used the energy from the truck braking to power the truck to the next trash can which was usually just yards away. While in a neighborhood, the engine was not needed at all, and just idled for the most part. If they found a way for the hydrostatic drive to run electronics and HVAC while the engine was off then the engine does not need to be running and a start/stop feature would save lots of money.

Another application where this was used were school buses. A vast majority of diesel powered school buses are with the same 6.7L in the pickups since it is the base engine for Blue-Bird large school buses and the only diesel engine available for Navistar's IC-Bus CE series line which are the main ones out there.

I remember reading about that technology. I thought UPS or Fedex was going to beta test this technology but never seen one with it nor have I heard anything more until u mentioned it.

[Bedlam]

Me Again wrote:
What? No Duramax or Powerstroke engines in school buses? Oh wait, those two are not true medium duty engines.

B.S. was already called on your previous statements of the same with samples cited. Please revisit your old posts and refresh your memory by rereading those threads.

[patriotgrunt]

Here we go again, stirring the pot to close this thread down soon. Ford's 6.7 is being used in F-650/F-750 applications and the 6.6 Duramax has been selected to power the Military's new Joint Light Tactical Vehicle. I've also seen articles suggesting that GM will use the 6.6 Duramax for its new 5500 series trucks. Hope you enjoy watching the argument you just started.

[Me_Again]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

I'm assuming fuel economy will be an improvement, but what about power?

Edit: Duh.... Missed the article. Not sure how the start/stop feature will work in stop in go driving but perhaps its part of how they meet the emissions requirements.

Engine not running = No emissions to worry about.

I don't think start/stop feature is mainly for the pickup version of these engines. The availability of a start/stop feature embedded in the software is probably mainly for vocational medium duty customers of these engine.

About a decade ago, Cummins was working with Parker Hannifin on a their hybrid RunWise refuse trucks. The trucks had Cummins engines for highway use and a hydrostatic drive to use during the stop and go driving in the neighborhoods picking up trash. The hydrostatic drive used the energy from the truck braking to power the truck to the next trash can which was usually just yards away. While in a neighborhood, the engine was not needed at all, and just idled for the most part. If they found a way for the hydrostatic drive to run electronics and HVAC while the engine was off then the engine does not need to be running and a start/stop feature would save lots of money.

Another application where this was used were school buses. A vast majority of diesel powered school buses are with the same 6.7L in the pickups since it is the base engine for Blue-Bird large school buses and the only diesel engine available for Navistar's IC-Bus CE series line which are the main ones out there.

What? No Duramax or Powerstroke engines in school buses? Oh wait, those two are not true medium duty engines.

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

I'm assuming fuel economy will be an improvement, but what about power?

Edit: Duh.... Missed the article. Not sure how the start/stop feature will work in stop in go driving but perhaps its part of how they meet the emissions requirements.

Engine not running = No emissions to worry about.

I don't think start/stop feature is mainly for the pickup version of these engines. The availability of a start/stop feature embedded in the software is probably mainly for vocational medium duty customers of these engine.

About a decade ago, Cummins was working with Parker Hannifin on a their hybrid RunWise refuse trucks. The trucks had Cummins engines for highway use and a hydrostatic drive to use during the stop and go driving in the neighborhoods picking up trash. The hydrostatic drive used the energy from the truck braking to power the truck to the next trash can which was usually just yards away. While in a neighborhood, the engine was not needed at all, and just idled for the most part. If they found a way for the hydrostatic drive to run electronics and HVAC while the engine was off then the engine does not need to be running and a start/stop feature would save lots of money.

Another application where this was used were school buses. A vast majority of diesel powered school buses are with the same 6.7L in the pickups since it is the base engine for Blue-Bird large school buses and the only diesel engine available for Navistar's IC-Bus CE series line which are the main ones out there.

[FishOnOne]

RobertRyan wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
FCA has pushed the 2018 Ram HD redesign out do to being short on cash, but has money to spend on Alpha Romeo which I'm sure will be another flop.

Link

Alfa Romeo development comes from a separate bucket of cash that is not connected to Ram and Chrysler.

Alfa Romeo is part of FCA and all of FCA profits can be invested in any of their divisions based on managements decision and how they see fit. Sergio's strategy has been to invest more into AR and to bring more new AR to market including North America. This attempt will most likely be another failure like Sergio's attempt to bring the Fiat product back to North America. In the viewpoint of Ram and Jeep it's called "Rob Peter to pay Paul". They know who's bucket it's coming from!

In the meantime Dodge is dieing on the vine.

No, Alfa Romeo is separate. Chrysler / RAM are responsible for their own resources, that is why separate bucket of cash,no Peter robbing Paul.

I find that hard to believe. Bottom line Sergio calls the shots and he's still looking for a partnership do to financial issues.