Ram 3500 max tow vs F450

[ib516]

This will be an interesting report to read.

King of Beasts on the Road

"Our two tow testers for this run are a 2013 Ford F-450 Super Duty Platinum edition and 2013 Ram 3500 HD Laramie Longhorn edition, each with the maximum tow packages. We'll be hauling some heavy loads with our specially made Load Max flatbed air suspended gooseneck trailers, each capable of hauling 28,000 pounds."

[BigToe]

The 2015 F-450 pick up is going back to 19.5" tires and wheels, with more axle, brake, & suspension parts from the chassis cab again. That should up the payload numbers a bit for forthcoming F-450 pickups.

[Cummins12V98]

CumminsDriver wrote:

MTPockets1 wrote:

ib516 wrote:
2013 F450 (4 door cab, diesel, 4x4, 8' box):

- max payload capacity of 4,969 pounds (diesel)
- max conventional towing 18,500 pounds
- max 5th wheel towing 24,700 pounds
- 14,000 pounds GVWR
- max GCWR 33,000 pounds (4.30 axle)


2013 RAM 3500 (crew cab, diesel, 4x4, 8' box)

- max payload capacity 5,800 pounds
- max conventional towing 17,000 pounds
- max 5th wheel towing 29,130 pounds
- 14,000 pounds GVWR
- max GCWR 37,500 pounds (4.10 axle)

Max Payload for the F450 Crew Cab 172.4" Wheel base is 7080 lbs.... per www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/specifications/towing/

5680 lbs max payload for the 3500 Ram ...... Other specs look right

There's no way the F450 pickup has a 7080lb payload. 14,000 GVWR - 7080lb payload = empty truck weight of 6920lbs. No way that truck is that light. More like 8500lbs or more empty.

I agree. My 11 HO Ram Dually has a factory scale weight of 8,020#.

[itguy08]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

And when did he start the rag?

I the link he said 1995. And he left PUT before he went to Ford.

Why is it when I post something from All-Par I get told they work for Chrysler. Yes they do, but they are not doing side-by-side comparisons.

Well, if it's a fact allpar's guys work for Chrysler then it's a fair statement.

Answer my question, why is it when the Ram was at the bottom of the HP/TQ along with towing and payload they ran a Ram 3500 and not a 4500 or 5500? Wouldn't that have been fair?

Perhaps that's what Chrysler supplied them? Manufacturers supply the vehicles for the tests. And is there a real drivetrain difference between the 4500/5500 and the 3500? For the Ford it's the same drivetrains, just a beefier frame.

I'd also expect the Ford or GM to be bottom in any test of these trucks as they are the oldest of the bunch.

If you look at the Fastlane truck's tests, where they put the Chevy, Ford, and Toyota up/down the Eisenhower Pass GM didn't send a truck that could tow the load?

In the same vain, why did Motor Trend have to do a bogus tow test for the 2013 TOTY in order to cater to the Ram 1500? Rather than towing, say 8500 lbs for all of them or the max for them all?

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

itguy08 wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Or maybe the 3500 Ram beat the F-450 so bad that Mike was told by Ford not to post it!? :B

If only he still worked there.... Been gone since 2011.

Mike's farewell.

And when did he start the rag? Before he left Ford, funny the advertisement I see is for Ford and only Ford. Why is it when I post something from All-Par I get told they work for Chrysler. Yes they do, but they are not doing side-by-side comparisons.

Answer my question, why is it when the Ram was at the bottom of the HP/TQ along with towing and payload they ran a Ram 3500 and not a 4500 or 5500? Wouldn't that have been fair?

But now that the Ford is out classed by the Ram they run a F-450 against a 3500? Pure BS plain and simple. I'll wait and see if they do a 2014 Hurt locker test using identical class trucks. But I bet they wait until the new Ford comes out in 2015 before they run it again.

Don

Let me add that I don't need a magazine to tell me what to buy, I'll talk to real owners and come up with my own conclusions. BTW I have said this time and time again they ALL make great trucks and are very capable of towing our RV's

[itguy08]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Or maybe the 3500 Ram beat the F-450 so bad that Mike was told by Ford not to post it!? :B

If only he still worked there.... Been gone since 2011.

Mike's farewell.

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Or maybe the 3500 Ram beat the F-450 so bad that Mike was told by Ford not to post it!? :B

[jfritz_drfritz]

45Ricochet wrote:

Aridon wrote:
Looking forward to the results

Hopefully by Christmas :E Don't know why they are so slow in reporting the results. Maybe the Ford is still climbing the hill :B

They are probably waiting for Ford to announce the new 6.7 at the texas show tomorrow with 500 rwhp 1100 lbs torque, compound sequential turbos, titanium rods and integrated jacobs engine braking system;)

[ib516]

MTPockets1 wrote:

ib516 wrote:
2013 F450 (4 door cab, diesel, 4x4, 8' box):

- max payload capacity of 4,969 pounds (diesel)
- max conventional towing 18,500 pounds
- max 5th wheel towing 24,700 pounds
- 14,000 pounds GVWR
- max GCWR 33,000 pounds (4.30 axle)


2013 RAM 3500 (crew cab, diesel, 4x4, 8' box)

- max payload capacity 5,800 pounds
- max conventional towing 17,000 pounds
- max 5th wheel towing 29,130 pounds
- 14,000 pounds GVWR
- max GCWR 37,500 pounds (4.10 axle)

Max Payload for the F450 Crew Cab 172.4" Wheel base is 7080 lbs.... per www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/specifications/towing/

5680 lbs max payload for the 3500 Ram ...... Other specs look right

Those numbers are right off of each manufacturers website. I wasn't quoting MAX payload numbers, I was quoting them both as equipped for the test. As you see, I was talking about a 4 door cab, 4x4, 8' bed, etc. for the F450. According to Ford, an F450 equipped like that has the payload number I typed above.

If I was quoting max numbers, the RAM 3500 max tow rating (for example) is over 30,000#. This truck as equipped is only :W 29,130#

[Rich1961]

MTPockets1 wrote:

ib516 wrote:
2013 F450 (4 door cab, diesel, 4x4, 8' box):

- max payload capacity of 4,969 pounds (diesel)
- max conventional towing 18,500 pounds
- max 5th wheel towing 24,700 pounds
- 14,000 pounds GVWR
- max GCWR 33,000 pounds (4.30 axle)


2013 RAM 3500 (crew cab, diesel, 4x4, 8' box)

- max payload capacity 5,800 pounds
- max conventional towing 17,000 pounds
- max 5th wheel towing 29,130 pounds
- 14,000 pounds GVWR
- max GCWR 37,500 pounds (4.10 axle)

Max Payload for the F450 Crew Cab 172.4" Wheel base is 7080 lbs.... per www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/specifications/towing/

5680 lbs max payload for the 3500 Ram ...... Other specs look right

There's no way the F450 pickup has a 7080lb payload. 14,000 GVWR - 7080lb payload = empty truck weight of 6920lbs. No way that truck is that light. More like 8500lbs or more empty.

[MTPockets1]

ib516 wrote:
2013 F450 (4 door cab, diesel, 4x4, 8' box):

- max payload capacity of 4,969 pounds (diesel)
- max conventional towing 18,500 pounds
- max 5th wheel towing 24,700 pounds
- 14,000 pounds GVWR
- max GCWR 33,000 pounds (4.30 axle)


2013 RAM 3500 (crew cab, diesel, 4x4, 8' box)

- max payload capacity 5,800 pounds
- max conventional towing 17,000 pounds
- max 5th wheel towing 29,130 pounds
- 14,000 pounds GVWR
- max GCWR 37,500 pounds (4.10 axle)

Max Payload for the F450 Crew Cab 172.4" Wheel base is 7080 lbs.... per www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/specifications/towing/

5680 lbs max payload for the 3500 Ram ...... Other specs look right

[BigToe]

45Ricochet wrote:
Maybe the Ford is still climbing the hill :B

ROTFLO!

[45Ricochet]

Aridon wrote:
Looking forward to the results

Hopefully by Christmas :E Don't know why they are so slow in reporting the results. Maybe the Ford is still climbing the hill :B

[Aridon]

Looking forward to the results

[jfritz_drfritz]

BigToe wrote:
The following quote caught my eye:

The Mad Norsky wrote:
"One thing you must realize is that the Ford works best when starting down at a speed in the 50 to 55 MPH range max. Starting downhill at speeds greater than that just means you will need to use your brakes."

I don't think the Ford is unique from any of the competition on this count. All vehicles work best when starting down hill in a lower speed. Physics dictates that the Ford is no different than a Volkswagon in that regard.

Starting down a hill slow and in low gear helps save the brakes regardless of vehicle brand or transmission type... whether with stick shift or with fancy electronic shift strategies.

I think the point of his comment was that the ford exhaust brake is not as effective as the others and works best within certain speed ranges