RAM passes FORD in HD sales.

[Me_Again]

Reading "Heavy Duty Trucking" Jan 2016 issue. HDT and other trade mags publish sales reports for various classes of trucks sorted by brand and class.
For November 2015 in class 3,4,5, 10001-19500 lb class, Ram outsold Ford 43.01 percent to 35.14 percent. A pretty good margin.

Ram, Nov 12,345/ YTD 141,423/ 43.01 percent
Ford, Nov 10,307/ YTD 115,553/ 35.14 percent
Chevrolet Nov 2867/ YTD 34,497/ 10.49 percent

Other brands in this class are; Freightliner, GMC, HINO, International, Isuzu, KW, Mitsubishi for a total of 328,819 units.

truckinginfo.com

[Hannibal]

Bedlam wrote:

06Fargo wrote:
So is a 550/5500 truck a "2 ton" ?

Call it what you want - My 10,000 lb Ram 5500 has a 9000 lb payload which is 4.5 tons.



With 2 tons the overloads are not touching and still have a gap.

Is that a C-channel chassis under there? Beautiful truck!

NC, hope you're getting better and continue to get better.

[Flashman]

Bedlam wrote:
The F450 pickup specification do not make sense to me. The F350 DRW uses a Dana 80, while F450 uses the Dana S111. The F350 brake rotors are larger than the F450's...

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_Pickups_SB_Updates.pdf

Could it be that the 450 follows a SAE standard?

But the 350 does not?

[DakotaDad]

FishOnOne wrote:

jtallon wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
In addition Ford has announced they are spending more money to tool up the Ohio plant where they are building the new F650/F750 trucks and adding another line just to build it's F450/F550 trucks. Made in the USA...Yes! :B

So they all come with the 6.2L then? :B

Perhaps someone from Ohio,USA can chime in...

Or someone from Ford’s "Engine Plant II" in Chihuahua, Mexico unless Ford is shipping them sans-Powerstoke now...

A little like finding a jalapeño in your apple pie! :B

[FishOnOne]

jtallon wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
In addition Ford has announced they are spending more money to tool up the Ohio plant where they are building the new F650/F750 trucks and adding another line just to build it's F450/F550 trucks. Made in the USA...Yes! :B

So they all come with the 6.2L then? :B

Perhaps someone from Ohio,USA can chime in...

[FishOnOne]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"BTW... I once reported a story of my neighbor down the street that upgraded from a Ram 4500 to a ......eerrrr just forget it. :B"

At least you have a sense of humor!

Actually I was serious but then decided the haters would start calling out my neighbors and mix in my relatives...

But in all seriousness my neighbor down the street is still driving his F450 company truck with the large commercial bins and a small lift on the back. His previous truck was a Ram 4500 and the aisin tranny repair was the last straw iirc.

There.... I said it! :B

[Cummins12V98]

"BTW... I once reported a story of my neighbor down the street that upgraded from a Ram 4500 to a ......eerrrr just forget it. :B"

At least you have a sense of humor!

[Cummins12V98]

Flashman wrote:

Bedlam wrote:
The F450 pickup specification do not make sense to me. The F350 DRW uses a Dana 80, while F450 uses the Dana S111. The F350 brake rotors are larger than the F450's...

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_Pickups_SB_Updates.pdf

Could it be that the 450 follows a SAE standard?

But the 350 does not?

Winner, winner, Chicken dinner! The 14K number is just that! It keeps the trucks from entering the next classification that would mean larger Insurance premiums and licensing. Truly don't understand what would limit the F450's 9,100# RAWR within the SAE tests???

Some will say I am overloaded with over 15K sitting in my 6 tires. Let's say my front axle weighed 5,100# from the factory and add that to the 9,750 rear axle weight rating truck will magically weigh 14,850#. My front weighs 5,460# the rating is 6,000#, rear weighs 9,580# the rating is 9,750#, combined is 32,540# the rating is 37,800#. I am under the SAE ratings.

These are some of the reasons the RAM 3500's are selling very well.

[ksss]

Flashman wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

ksss wrote:

spud1957 wrote:
Good on Ram. Would the Cummins be a big reason?



GM's number are really small.

Remember that GM does not currently offer a class 4 or 5. So the numbers you see are only the 3500. Still smaller than they should be, but they cant sell what they don't currently make. The GM/IH agreement should produce a good medium duty truck (I hope).

I liked the Kodiak and never understood why they dropped it..

X2

X3

I just traded a 5500 crew cab 4X4 that I bought new in 05. I liked many things about it. Very heavy duty truck, high ground clearance, great off road. Very solid when working at max capacity, so solid that it could easily give you the confidence to overload it. The things I didn't like were the worst ride I have every experienced on anything south of some old IH dump trucks I used to own. It needed to be carrying 4K on the flatbed to feel even close to comfortable. The interior was extremely cheap for a medium duty truck. Just not construction duty quality. It would throw codes every so often, some electrical issues came up. It sucked that only a medium duty dealer could work on them (officially). Given all of that it was a great work truck for us. I took the seat out of the back and built a storage rack. It was workhorse for 10 years.

This Fall I get a call from my employees that the 5500 is in limp mode pulling an excavator on the highway. They got it home and we pulled it into the dealer. We found that 7 out of 8 injectors were bad and worst of all, one of the cylinders had washed out and lost compression. I ran the repair numbers and traded it on the stump. I am now making do with two 3500's (06 and 15)until they release the new 5500.

GM needed to update the truck, obviously with the bankruptcy they dropped those trucks all together. I think if the truck could have been been refined some more it could have been excellent.

[DakotaDad]

FishOnOne wrote:
In addition Ford has announced they are spending more money to tool up the Ohio plant where they are building the new F650/F750 trucks and adding another line just to build it's F450/F550 trucks. Made in the USA...Yes! :B

So they all come with the 6.2L then? :B

[Flashman]

Bedlam wrote:
The F450 pickup specification do not make sense to me. The F350 DRW uses a Dana 80, while F450 uses the Dana S111. The F350 brake rotors are larger than the F450's...

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_Pickups_SB_Updates.pdf

Could it be that the 450 follows a SAE standard?

But the 350 does not?

[FishOnOne]

Me Again wrote:
Fact is FORD is now in a position to have to win back customers in the class 3, 4 and 5 market.

I'm not so sure about that!

Link

[Me_Again]

Fact is FORD is now in a position to have to win back customers in the class 3, 4 and 5 market.

[FishOnOne]

Bedlam wrote:
The F450 pickup specification do not make sense to me. The F350 DRW uses a Dana 80, while F450 uses the Dana S111. The F350 brake rotors are larger than the F450's...

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_Pickups_SB_Updates.pdf

And Ram still sticking to the old front suspension (you know the ones' with all the recalls) and didn't install the upgraded Ford copied front suspension do not make sense to me. :h

[FishOnOne]

Flashman wrote:

fla-gypsy wrote:
Fodder for the eternally adolescent

But what else should we argue about?

Fish - time to jump in - two sides of the same coin.

Thanks for the invitation to the party Flash....

Here's a small sample from "We Own Work"

Link

I will say that I see some Ram 4500/5500 utility trucks but no were near the Ford's F450/550 trucks.

In addition Ford has announced they are spending more money to tool up the Ohio plant where they are building the new F650/F750 trucks and adding another line just to build it's F450/F550 trucks. Made in the USA...Yes! :B

Ford's New Chassis Cab Line at Ohio Plant

BTW... I once reported a story of my neighbor down the street that upgraded from a Ram 4500 to a ......eerrrr just forget it. :W

[Bedlam]

The F450 pickup specification do not make sense to me. The F350 DRW uses a Dana 80, while F450 uses the Dana S111. The F350 brake rotors are larger than the F450's...

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_Pickups_SB_Updates.pdf