Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035

[FishOnOne]

These are the states that have signed up to ban the sale of new cars starting in 2035.

All of the planned bans are in coastal states: In addition to California and Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington have made the commitment to stop allowing sales of new gas-powered vehicles after 2035.

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[monkey44]

^^^^ Yup ... Long way to go for trucks and RVs. It's like comparing a 125cc Honda Trail to a 1200cc Harley Davidson. If you make the Honda big enough, you get a Honda/Harley. But the efficiency and effectiveness data you compare is worthless.

EVs have a useful place in the city or short runs in the suburbs, but are way less effective on long trip, or hauling weight. It may get there someday, but not today and not tomorrow.

Hauling a trailer with its own subordinate battery is, technically, just building an EV with a larger capacity battery. Takes no less electrical energy to charge it and move the same weight the same number of miles.

[Latner]

FishOnOne wrote:
Looks like another band aid fix to EV trucks.

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yep, starting @ $125k lmao

[FishOnOne]

Looks like another band aid fix to EV trucks.

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[Huntindog]

ktmrfs wrote:

free radical wrote:

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.

Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?

Check Munro live chanel for answers

Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.

1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.

tesla's lifetime profit picture is even worse if one takes the time value of money into consideration.

[Grit_dog]

@Reisneder (sparing y’all from the huge multi quote )
You generally do a good job of trying to stay “un-biased” in your EV opinions and experiences. Recently anyway. Not like you were before you took a break from Rvnet.
But feigning ignorance about carbon credits is not good for your credibility as someone who is very in love with their EV but purports to see both sides of the fence.

[Grit_dog]

Cptnvideo wrote:

bikendan wrote:

"becoming"? They already have!
We were native Californians who moved out when we retired. We moved to Washington State, which was Californicated in only 7 years. Now we're in Arizona and hope it doesn't happen here.

Me, too. If it happens here in AZ, we'll move to TX. We spent 2 weeks at Cotton Lane RV Park in Feb. Now we're boondocking near Bouse, AZ. Planning on going to the Lassen area for DW, but will travel in NV as far as we can before entering _____.

Lol, you’re one who decides where to park your RV and @ss based on whether the states politics is red or blue?
Like my in-laws, you need to watch less Fox News! Hahaha

[Cptnvideo]

bikendan wrote:

"becoming"? They already have!
We were native Californians who moved out when we retired. We moved to Washington State, which was Californicated in only 7 years. Now we're in Arizona and hope it doesn't happen here.

Me, too. If it happens here in AZ, we'll move to TX. We spent 2 weeks at Cotton Lane RV Park in Feb. Now we're boondocking near Bouse, AZ. Planning on going to the Lassen area for DW, but will travel in NV as far as we can before entering _____.

[ktmrfs]

Reisender wrote:

ktmrfs wrote:

Reisender wrote:

ktmrfs wrote:

free radical wrote:

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.

Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?

Check Munro live chanel for answers

Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.

1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.

Interesting. So why don’t other companies sell those credits?

companies that HAVE carbon credits sell them to companies that NEED carbon credits to offset carbon emissions. Tesla gets the credits based on the EV's they sell..... and those more than offset the carbon emissions so they have a net positive carbon credit they can sell.
Companies that run solar arrays sell carbon credits, etc.

Ah ok. Wondered how that works. So why don’t other car companies make EV’s and sell credits? Sounds like it’s a profitable business.

since they are also selling cars with ICE they are probably just using the credits internally to offset carbon emissions. In the end, similar net effect on the bottom line

[bikendan]

Cptnvideo wrote:
Aren't Washington and Oregon becoming clones of Cali-fornicate-ya?
Asking for a friend.

"becoming"? They already have!
We were native Californians who moved out when we retired. We moved to Washington State, which was Californicated in only 7 years. Now we're in Arizona and hope it doesn't happen here.

[Reisender]

ktmrfs wrote:

Reisender wrote:

ktmrfs wrote:

free radical wrote:

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.

Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?

Check Munro live chanel for answers

Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.

1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.

Interesting. So why don’t other companies sell those credits?

companies that HAVE carbon credits sell them to companies that NEED carbon credits to offset carbon emissions. Tesla gets the credits based on the EV's they sell..... and those more than offset the carbon emissions so they have a net positive carbon credit they can sell.
Companies that run solar arrays sell carbon credits, etc.

Ah ok. Wondered how that works. So why don’t other car companies make EV’s and sell credits? Sounds like it’s a profitable business.

[ktmrfs]

Reisender wrote:

ktmrfs wrote:

free radical wrote:

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.

Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?

Check Munro live chanel for answers

Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.

1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.

Interesting. So why don’t other companies sell those credits?

companies that HAVE carbon credits sell them to companies that NEED carbon credits to offset carbon emissions. Tesla gets the credits based on the EV's they sell..... and those more than offset the carbon emissions so they have a net positive carbon credit they can sell.
Companies that run solar arrays sell carbon credits, etc.

[Huntindog]

monkey44 wrote:
Huntindog: And folks talk about towing, which is a real issue for RV'ers ... and no one has considered hauling a 2000 lb Truck Camper (the lightest) or a 3000 lb, or 4000 lb, and a boat, which is the reason a lot of RV'ers choose a TC, as well as for getting in the back-country where most TT's and 5'ers can't get. Everyone has a reason for the RV they choose, but the discussion of EV's runs only around the lightest and smallest RV's or trailers, and how far it can go without a charge.

Regardless how anyone words it, or the technology and engineering we describe, as RV'ers we are a long, long way from the ability to do what we want and why we choose RV over other modes of travel. RV's probably a small percentage of vacation travelers over all, but we do spend plenty of bucks for RV travel and support local and mostly rural areas when we do travel.

Product and produce transport fits in an entirely different category, as do working vehicles - caterpillar and JD tractors come to mind - as well as extended area distribution. Charging delivery trucks (Amazon, FedEx, UPS) may turn an eight hour work day into six productive hours, depending on the route it covers and the charging it requires.

EV's have a place in our culture, and eventually might become more variable in size and capacity, but will never replace energy consumption, they will only displace some methods of obtaining the mobility we want and need.

my dad was a farmer before he got married. he used to tell us about the long hours.
when it is time to plant, it is time to plant.when it is time to harvest.....he spoke of his tractor running 20 hour days. there is no way he would have put up with a electric tractor

[Reisender]

ktmrfs wrote:

free radical wrote:

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.

Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?

Check Munro live chanel for answers

Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.

1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.

Interesting. So why don’t other companies sell those credits?

[ktmrfs]

free radical wrote:

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.

Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?

Check Munro live chanel for answers

Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.

1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits.

[monkey44]

Huntindog: And folks talk about towing, which is a real issue for RV'ers ... and no one has considered hauling a 2000 lb Truck Camper (the lightest) or a 3000 lb, or 4000 lb, and a boat, which is the reason a lot of RV'ers choose a TC, as well as for getting in the back-country where most TT's and 5'ers can't get. Everyone has a reason for the RV they choose, but the discussion of EV's runs only around the lightest and smallest RV's or trailers, and how far it can go without a charge.

Regardless how anyone words it, or the technology and engineering we describe, as RV'ers we are a long, long way from the ability to do what we want and why we choose RV over other modes of travel. RV's probably a small percentage of vacation travelers over all, but we do spend plenty of bucks for RV travel and support local and mostly rural areas when we do travel.

Product and produce transport fits in an entirely different category, as do working vehicles - caterpillar and JD tractors come to mind - as well as extended area distribution. Charging delivery trucks (Amazon, FedEx, UPS) may turn an eight hour work day into six productive hours, depending on the route it covers and the charging it requires.

EV's have a place in our culture, and eventually might become more variable in size and capacity, but will never replace energy consumption, they will only displace some methods of obtaining the mobility we want and need.