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Should I get a new Tow Vehicle or a Bigger Gas Tank?

DougA
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After driving to up and down the east coast from Maine to Alabama a couple of times, I've decided that my wife and I don't need a bathroom nearly as often as our truck needs gas. Our TV's gas tank is only 20 gallons. It's a 2019 Nissan Frontier SV Crew Cab 4WD with a 4 liter engine and 5 speed automatic. We pull the smallest, lightest Grand Design trailer they've made: an 18RBE Imagine XLS that weighs, fully loaded with fresh water for dry camping and all our stuff, 5,700 pounds, while the Frontier is rated to tow 6,100. Since there is only a generator, fuel, my wife, me and the dog in the TV, the truck carries only 930 pounds, well under its 1,360 payload capacity. We are safe, but we often get down to about 1/8 of a tank at around 150 miles. I am lucky if the rig gets 10 MPG, sometimes its only 7 - 9.

Obviously I could get a half ton truck with a bigger tank. I've looked at the Ford F-150, the Ram 1500, and the Toyota Tundra. The Nissan Titan and Titan XD have small tanks and lousy mileage. I don't trust Ford's turbos. I have been watching a mechanic friend working on one that's got 110,000 miles. He's skeptical of high mileage reliability and engine parts are expensive. He says for most reliability, stick with a Tundra, an F-150 5.0 gasser (or 3.0 diesel). He also likes the new Ram 1500 3.0 Ecodiesel and the mighty 5.7 Chrysler hemi.

Much to my annoyance, it seems that to get the maximum tow capacity from a half ton, I have to order it. I have not been able to find either a new or low mileage truck that has the special axle ratio for maximum towing linked up to either a diesel or a V-8 gaser with a 30+ gal tank. Special ordering one that I like is a minimum of $42,000, plus untold taxes, fees and whathaveyou...

The other option? Swap out the Frontier's 21 gallon tank for a 38 gallon tank. This would cost $2,300 (delivered from California and installed here). Yikes!

The way I see it:

Pros of New Tank/keep the Frontier:
- Frontier has 35,000 miles, lots of life left.
- Frontier is as reliable as a wood stove
- Frontier keeps up with traffic even on the steepest highways. It only revs up to 5,500 (redline is about 6,500). Even using cruise control.
- Frontier is big enough but not intimidating to wife and family when they drive it.
- I don't have to buy $1,000 of new snow tires.
- $2,000 is a lot less than a new or even a used truck.
- 38 gallons of gas means range of 260 (@7 MPG) to 380 (@10 MPG) miles.
- Frontier is safely towing the trailer now. Why get a new truck?
- I figure that my modified Frontier will get slightly better range than any of the V-8s, even with their larger optional tanks. The best V-8 is the Ram at about 350, the Frontier would be 380.


Points for buying a half ton:
- The Ford and Ram diesels, even with their smaller 26 gallon tanks get better range than the Frontier, especially the Ram diesel.
-- Non towing mileage would be much better with either diesel, especially the Ram, and this is about 60% of the time.
- More comfortable ride, torque and power. The Frontier has to rev up to 5,500 to keep up on the steeps. To say its loud is an understatement.
- A bigger tank in the Frontier adds +130 pounds towards the back of the truck, and I don't know how it would affect performance. (note the spare tire is not relocated.)
- Adding 18 gallons of gas and heavier steel tank weight to Frontier would cut the margin for safety for both tow and payload by at least 100 pounds.
- The half tons can tow and carry about a third more than the Frontier can, increasing the safety margin.

So there you have it... get a bigger truck or bigger gas tank in the current one?
Doug & Patti & Puppy Leo
From Upstate New York
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Funfunfun
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Explorer
nice nice nice

Durb
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Don't know about NY but where I live just the transactional costs for a vehicle change (sales tax and registration) alone would be more than a new fuel tank.

philh
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Explorer II
I have F150 3.5L with 36g tank... LOVE IT

bikendan
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jerem0621 wrote:
I get about 170 miles on a tank with my Tahoe and I start hunting for fuel. I tow at 55-60 MPH That that puts me over three hours of travel. I can’t go much longer without a bathroom break and a stretch my legs break and walk around the rig and make sure everything is okay break.

Keep the frontier if it meets your needs, or get a Ram with the 3.6 Pentestar. That is a bullet proof motor.

Thanks,

Jeremiah


The OP posted over 2 days ago that they are getting a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel.
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jerem0621
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I get about 170 miles on a tank with my Tahoe and I start hunting for fuel. I tow at 55-60 MPH That that puts me over three hours of travel. I can’t go much longer without a bathroom break and a stretch my legs break and walk around the rig and make sure everything is okay break.

Keep the frontier if it meets your needs, or get a Ram with the 3.6 Pentestar. That is a bullet proof motor.

Thanks,

Jeremiah
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Bionic_Man
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DougA wrote:
After our trip thru VT, NH and Maine I decided to upgrade to a bigger more powerful truck instead of a bigger tank in the Frontier. A bigger tank won't make the Frontier quieter or give it more power for the hills, which makes for a really tedious long drive. I've ordered a nice Ram 1500 with Ecodiesel, crew cab, short bed, 33 gallon tank and tow package. Why? More power, mileage, torque. The generation 3 ecodiesel has been on the road for two years and is getting great reviews and better reliability ratings. Crew cab gets me the larger 33 gallon diesel tank. Can't get a 33 gallon diesel tank on the Quad Cab because there isn't enough room for the DEF. Now if only COVID doesn't close down production.


I think you will really be happy with your choice. Eager to hear your impressions after a trip.

I have the older version of the EcoDiesel in a 2014 Grand Cherokee. That engine, coupled with the ZF 8 speed is just a great combo. It might be my favorite vehicle of all I have ever owned.
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Grit_dog
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bikendan wrote:
Doesn't anyone read the previous posts?
The OP posted 4 1/2 hours ago, that they decided on buying a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel with a 33 gallon tank.
Jeeezzz!:S


Right?? Lol

Congrats OP!! That’s quite the upgrade!
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LanceRKeys
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Now the wait for a review after the first tow....

bikendan
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Doesn't anyone read the previous posts?
The OP posted 4 1/2 hours ago, that they decided on buying a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel with a 33 gallon tank.
Jeeezzz!:S
Dan- Firefighter, Retired:C, Shawn- Musician/Entrepreneur:W, Zoe- Faithful Golden Retriever(RIP:(), 2014 Ford F150 3.5 EcoboostMax Tow pkg, 2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255 w/4pt Equalizer and 5 Mtn. bikes and 2 Road bikes

deltabravo
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BurbMan wrote:
You're close enough to the limits of the truck now that I'm betting that you won't like how it handles with the bigger tank full of fuel, and will look to upgrade after spending $2300 on the new tank.


This is exactly my line of thinking too.

Plus, in a a few years you might have the urge to buy a bigger TT, which for sure requires a bigger truck.
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4x4ord
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If you're not happy with what you have, why not buy what you want? If it's about saving money, throw a jerry can in the bed of your truck so you don't get nervous running on the last 1/8 of a tank.
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Lantley
Nomad
Nomad
I'm in the new truck camp. But I would say get the best deal you can find.
How much is the new truck actually going to cost vs. larger tank.
Is it 5K for new truck vs. 2300 for a new tank.
Go kick some tires and find where the real numbers lie.
The final decision maybe a no brainer.
$? for a new truck vs. 2,300 for a new tank?
Shop all the truck brands you like, let the deal make the decision
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Devo_the_dog
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DougA wrote:

So there you have it... get a bigger truck or bigger gas tank in the current one?

If money isn't a concern, shop around and decide which manufacture you like best. Then order the truck you want. Keep in mind, delivery times are much longer due to the Corona.

If you don't want to buy a new truck to replace a truck that's only 1 year old, put in the larger fuel tank. The added weight from the fuel will only be 107 lbs and you are still a few hundred pounds under payload capacity.
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DougA
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After our trip thru VT, NH and Maine I decided to upgrade to a bigger more powerful truck instead of a bigger tank in the Frontier. A bigger tank won't make the Frontier quieter or give it more power for the hills, which makes for a really tedious long drive. I've ordered a nice Ram 1500 with Ecodiesel, crew cab, short bed, 33 gallon tank and tow package. Why? More power, mileage, torque. The generation 3 ecodiesel has been on the road for two years and is getting great reviews and better reliability ratings. Crew cab gets me the larger 33 gallon diesel tank. Can't get a 33 gallon diesel tank on the Quad Cab because there isn't enough room for the DEF. Now if only COVID doesn't close down production.
Doug & Patti & Puppy Leo
From Upstate New York

kellem
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Get a Ford SD with 48 gallon tank.....more pee breaks without fueling.