SLIDE ADVANTAGE ONLY LARGER DINETTE NOT MORE FLOOR SPACE??

[lincolnmatthews]

Unless I'm missing something (which is totally possible) when looking at a Lance 1050s floorspace & say a 1055 (non-slide) the only real difference is the full size double booth dinette versus a single width seat by the door. Seems like the actual walking floor space on the slide 1050s is only as wide as the door, then you have 2 steps up to the full size dinette, which could seat 4 persons.
I would appear at least in pics that the floor space for the non-slide is still only the width of the door. I guess I just don't see the advantage to a slide in a camper (unlike a TT or MH) only a full size dinette, versus a smaller dinette (in a 1055) that could really only seat 3 at max.
You loose all the overhead cabinet storage in a slide, along with what about 1ft lost in the side panels lost, therefore storage & counter space.
Enlighten me please, my opinion is unless you get up into the 11 1/2ft ++ campers that there maybe no real advantage to a slide in the 9-10ft size, (I could be wrong) I'm sorry I don't know as I currently own a non-slide older 880 Lance

[chalet05]

You lose the overhead storage, but there is storage under the full length of the dinette benches. Not as convenient. I also store things under the table near the wall.

[lincolnmatthews]

I here what your saying Bill, I had forgotten but I actually was in a new 1050s several yrs ago, liked the layout but not the cheesy counters or lack of cabinets overhead by the bed. But they have since remedied all these short comings as far as I am concerned anyway
And its a matter of price for me. I like the Eagle Cap 995 but no one has any & haven't for several months. I actually can buy the Lance for several grand cheaper than the EC. After I purchase the Lance I will say what the discount was off of the MSRP, (someone started a thread requesting what discounts should we get off MSRP?. I'm sure I'll have some bugs to work out of the new one, but they all due. I guess I finally decided to go back to a Lance, because I know there going to be around for awhile, and to there CNC tooling, which I believe keeps there assemblies more consistent with tight tolerance's (with no "gimp" around stuff).
One thing I noticed when I checked out the new EC 1160, was in the over cab area. When I pulled out the drawer in the cabinet by the bed and saw how they cut the opening in the cabinet face. It looked like it had been cut by a jigsaw, not real straight or smooth. Of course you don't notice it with the drawer closed, but when you open it, it really stands out! I thought for the money it should look better there.
Maybe this was just this particular camper, but I wasn't impressed when I saw it, maybe I was just being to picky, but I do have an eye for small details. (unfortunately they only had one EC on there lot so I could not look at another example) Not knocking EC's by any means I think they make a great camper & I would still buy one!. If I had my choice (at the same price) I would take the EC over the Lance actually.

[mkirsch]

lincolnmatthews wrote:
Thank you for bringing it to my attention, (but why wait for so long, just kidding).

Because it is also considered bad form (not to mention risky) to pick on someone for their spelling or grammar or posting style...

Even if you put it as gently and nicely as possible, some people just can't handle constructive criticism. The response usually involves a soapbox, a waving American flag, a choir humming "The Battle Hymn of the Republic", and a long-winded diatribe about the First Amendment, LOL...

[805gregg]

You will love your Lance, you get what you pay for

[billtex]

lincolnmatthews wrote:
Ok, I'm about 12 hrs away from ordering a new 1050s! I'm going to "bite the bullet" the Wife has given me the OK!. Even though I haven't seen one yet, I really can't see the advantage to the slide in this model anyway. It would appear to have no more floorspace other than the full size dinette like mentioned earlier, over a non-slide.
I guess I will be enlightened in about 4 wks when my new one comes in, I guess I maybe needing to prepare myself for several meals of "eating crow" when I see just how much more room I'm going to feel like I got with the slide! Maybe I will become "a believer"!

I'll make 2 comments;
* I would never order/purchase a camper we had not spent time in and thoroughly investigated.

* I would look at some of the other brands before you purchase-you might be surprised what you can get...for quite a bit less $

Good luck, Bill

[lincolnmatthews]

Ok, I'm about 12 hrs away from ordering a new 1050s! I'm going to "bite the bullet" the Wife has given me the OK!. Even though I haven't seen one yet, I really can't see the advantage to the slide in this model anyway. It would appear to have no more floorspace other than the full size dinette like mentioned earlier, over a non-slide.
I guess I will be enlightened in about 4 wks when my new one comes in, I guess I maybe needing to prepare myself for several meals of "eating crow" when I see just how much more room I'm going to feel like I got with the slide! Maybe I will become "a believer"!

[jmcgsd]

I've had 2 Lance TCs, one with and one without a slide. There was no comparison. A friend once remarked to my wife while they were preparing a meal in the non-slide kitchen area: "Honey, you have a one butt kitchen"

[805gregg]

I have an older (2003) Lance 1071 the slide give a tone more space, also in our older pre-basement model there is 7' of headroom giving the feeling of much more space, if you have a basement model you get less headroom

[ckwjl]

Don’t overlook the value of the floor space of the slide out itself. When we travel, it’s two or three of us, a Golden Retriever and a Scottish Terrier. The floor of the slide out is a den for the dogs and frees up the main floor. When space is tight, a vanity case and duffle bags tend to get placed there. As for the loss of overhead storage, check for available storage under the dinette seats. Both seats in our 1050s are entirely available for storage and there is also storage in the step up to the dinette; the top of the step flips up--this is where we put our shoes.

[Bedlam]

The Arctic Fox uses a full wall slide that also pushes out the refrigerator. In our short bed model, the slide made a large difference in usable space.

As posted, the depth of the basement determines if you have the floor over the wheel wells or even over the bed rails. Once you get a 7' wide floor, the space really opens up at the expense of overall height and center of gravity.

[Super_Dave]

lincolnmatthews, the aisle space remains the same but the slide just opens up the overall space. The dinette sits so much farther back that one doesn't feel squeezed between the dinette and the kitchen side of the aisle.

[WAM2_Campers]

To 'slide' or 'not to slide' is a personal preference, so I can only relay our move from no slide to slide. We either pull a boat or our motorcycle in a trailer so a truck camper works very well for us. After having a non-slide TC for a number of years, 8.5' floor length, which did not have a shower, we went looking. At a local camper dealer we went in our first slide TC, an Arctic Fox 990 which is about a 9+' floor 'basement style' model. We were amazed and decided right then the next TC was going to be basement style slide unit with a slide. If you are not aware, the floor in the basement style TCs is above the truck's wheel wells so it is 5' wide rather than 4' wide. We ended up purchasing our present F350 dually diesel and Arctic Fox 1150 dry bath TC which has a 11.5' floor. This will be our 6th season and have absolutely no regrets, we average 12, 3 to 5 day camping trips a year - in three years we will be transitioning to a 5er as we start our new adventure as fulltimers. Happy Camping!!

[lincolnmatthews]

I am sorry, I didn't realize that in the computer world or on forum's that it was considered to be shouting. That would be the last thing that I would do, as this is not how I am actually. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, (but why wait for so long, just kidding).
As far as my original post stmt, (and yes I do need to see them) it looked like the actual floor ended & the 2 steps up began about in line with the door. Of course you gained the 18" or whatever the slide sticks out, but this isn't floor space, it looks to me that the 2 steps take from the floor space that would be gained. You certainly gain a large double dinette, where you are sitting further from the bathroom wall.
I'm only basing this on a Lance 1050s looking online, (which I will have to see in person). I can also see where maybe a different floor plan with 1 or 2 slides you would gain a heck of a lot more floor space.
Just MHO thanks

[Gary3]

He needs to have a better look inside then he will see there is more room and a better dinette.