Towing capacity

[thehippie]

The ram 2500 Cummins ctd has towing capacity of Almost 18,000 pounds.


Is that on flat roads Only?


How about towing uphill? Will it still be 18,000 pounds?

[blt2ski]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ib516 wrote:

mike-s wrote:
Most manufacturer's now rate using the SAE J2807 standard, which is very far from "perfect conditions", and is probably at the difficult end of what most people encounter unless you regularly tow in the mountains.

This is the correct answer.

I concur. But people need to understand that is NOT a 5er as the pin weight will exceed the RAWR. Most likely a gooseneck is what is tested at 18k.

Last time I checked a gooseneck hitch was still a bed mounted hitch. so it still needs a higher % of HW vs a ball or pintle which can be less....

Still the issue with the J2807, is the performance specs, if something meets the absolute minimum, ie the 12% grade, you will/may not be pulling a 14% grade. most of us pulling 14% grades, are not going faster than 35-40 mph! Not does one plan to go faster than this! Even the 18% grade in front of my sisters house, I do not plan to go much over 25-30mph, granted a residential road......or the 25% grade on the north side of Queen Anne here in seattle on Queen Anne ave! doing 25 mph you are doing good!

Marty

[Cummins12V98]

ib516 wrote:

mike-s wrote:
Most manufacturer's now rate using the SAE J2807 standard, which is very far from "perfect conditions", and is probably at the difficult end of what most people encounter unless you regularly tow in the mountains.

This is the correct answer.

I concur. But people need to understand that is NOT a 5er as the pin weight will exceed the RAWR. Most likely a gooseneck is what is tested at 18k.

[Cummins12V98]

Question what you would be towing that weighed 18k? My question is can the truck HANDLE it???

I tow a 23k 5er with a 2k motorcycle trailer behind totaling 35k with ZERO EGT or overheating issues. Even on grades up to 14%. Sure mine is a Dually but the engines are the same.

[thehippie]

Cummins was able to tow uphill the trailer wihtout any problems. Great truck!

[Grit_dog]

thehippie wrote:
The ram 2500 Cummins ctd has towing capacity of Almost 18,000 pounds.


Is that on flat roads Only?


How about towing uphill? Will it still be 18,000 pounds?

Lol, yes. But not in the rain on a Mountian......

[Calicajun]

Not sure what the OP is going to be towing? My Ram 2500 diesel will pull our TT loaded (8,000) up the Grapevine without slowing down with no trouble at all.

[ib516]

mike-s wrote:
Most manufacturer's now rate using the SAE J2807 standard, which is very far from "perfect conditions", and is probably at the difficult end of what most people encounter unless you regularly tow in the mountains.

This is the correct answer.

[Lantley]

As typical of this forum we like to look at one parameter and ignore the others. The tow ratings are genuine but you must account for the other parameters such as frontal area, and payload as well.
Pay attention to all of the ratings not just the ones that work for you while pretending the others don't exist.
The tow rating alone does not tell the whole story.
All of the physics and factors involved cannot be expressed /quantified in one rating. As a result there are multiple ratings to consider

[4x4ord]

Slownsy wrote:
Maybe same engine but not same gearing.
Frank,

Gears might not be as big a deal as what you think. The Ford towing numbers are:
the F250 tow rating is 14700 lbs
F350 srw tow rating is 20600 lbs
F350 drw tow rating is 27300 lbs

All three trucks are rated with the same engine, transmission and rear end (3.55:1).

[mike-s]

bikendan wrote:
Towing Capacity numbers are not real world numbers.
They are from towing in perfect conditions and with something that offers very little air resistance.
That way they can inflate the numbers.

Most manufacturer's now rate using the SAE J2807 standard, which is very far from "perfect conditions", and is probably at the difficult end of what most people encounter unless you regularly tow in the mountains.

[Slownsy]

Maybe same engine but not same gearing.
Frank,

[rhagfo]

thehippie wrote:
The ram 2500 Cummins ctd has towing capacity of Almost 18,000 pounds.


Is that on flat roads Only?


How about towing uphill? Will it still be 18,000 pounds?

Why do you find so hard to believe a 2019 Ram CTD can be rated to tow 18,000#? I tow/carry close to 13,000# with a 2001 Ram CTD yes, a few extra HP and torque than stock, but nowhere near the numbers of a 2018.

[blt2ski]

Groover wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
On hills it drops to 12,000 lbs. Mtns it drops to 8500 lbs. Downhill it goes up to 25,000 lbs. Average is 18,000 lbs. 🙂

I hope that the OP recognizes the amount of joking in this thread and has a sense of humor. The factory ratings cover almost all conditions found on public roads and normal driving. As for air drag, the CTD should handle most anything legal to pull but there should be a towing manual available that details what it is rated for.

The standard is based on pulling the rated load and frontal area up the Davis Dam road on a hot summer day at the speed limit and is intended to cover most situations that are not obvious abuse.

The red is false, in that there is a minimum speed based on total gvw of the setup. These are the 35 heavier than 15 or 20K lbs, and 40 mph under this amount, I mentioned earlier. Also this IIRC is a 100F day with AC on, no overheating.

Marty

[Groover]

goducks10 wrote:
On hills it drops to 12,000 lbs. Mtns it drops to 8500 lbs. Downhill it goes up to 25,000 lbs. Average is 18,000 lbs. 🙂

I hope that the OP recognizes the amount of joking in this thread and has a sense of humor. The factory ratings cover almost all conditions found on public roads and normal driving. As for air drag, the CTD should handle most anything legal to pull but there should be a towing manual available that details what it is rated for. The standard is based on pulling the rated load and frontal area up the Davis Dam road on a hot summer day at the speed limit and is intended to cover most situations that are not obvious abuse.