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usmcshepherd
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My father-in-law is interested in truck campers and has a Toyota Tundra. Are there any Toyota Tundra truck owners out there who are hauling a truck camper? I see that Lance advertises their 825 and 865 campers for the Tundra. Anyone?

Thanks
USMCShepherd
2011 Ram 3500 / 2013 Lance 1172
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silversand
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There are light-weight hard-side and specially-designed luxury pop-up campers (specifically made for Tundra pick-ups). I recall a thread a year or 2 ago, with numerous hard-side campers light enough for a Tundra elaborating thereon.

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/drivetrain/2007_toyota_tundra_rear_axle/


This article is nothing but advertising fluff, rife with superlatives, offering little to nothing in the way of this truck's ability to haul a truck camper or anything else, let alone a basis to cross-compare, technically, any other similar genre truck. Find another article offering real technical data on cargo moving capability; the inference in this article is that the Tundra is as capable as a 1 ton or 0.75 ton pick-up (a ludicrous and dangerous assumption!).

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bikerdib
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To the OP, I see you are in Louisiana, I'm a neighbor in Texas. I just got through shopping for and purchasing a new TC. I ended up with a Lance 865 that I haul on my '12 Dodge 2500 cummins 4X4 CC. Please keep in mind that when Lance says the 865 (and the 825 for that matter) will fit on a half ton truck they mean the base model. You being in Louisiana you will HAVE to add one of the same options as me, an AC unit. I would not want to drive a half ton truck with my 865 on the back. With the options I have on my TC (AC, 3 burner range with oven, double pane windows, rear awning, all season insulation package and a few other small things) the camper weighs around 2000+ without any water on board. The paperwork that came with the camper lists the added weight of the various options, I'll try to find it, scan it and post it here if you are still looking at one of the Lance.
2014 Lance 865 with AC, door awning, all weather package, range w/oven.
2013 Cummins Ram Laramie Longhorn 3500 Crew Cab 4X4 with SuperSprings, Roadmaster anti sway bar, Timbren bump stops & Curt hitch extension for the motorcycle & PWC trailers.

travelinglane
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I ran a 2009 Outfitter Apex 8 (built for the Tundra at just under 1800 pounds) on my 2006 Toyota Tundra Access Cab 4x4 with Ride Rite Airbags and E-Load tires with no problems at all. It handled very nicely and I averaged around 13-14 MPG.

Go for it!

skipbee
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We have found there is a substantial difference between the replies given by those offering opinions and those relating actual experiences. We tend to lean more toward experiences.

Love to all,

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More2Explore
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MGySgt,

Thought I'd weigh-in from the pop-up side of TC land. I owned a 2007 Tundra double cab 4x2 and carried a 2007 hallmark Milner. The only thing I did to the truck was add Firestone ride rite airbags to level the truck and reduce side to side rolling with the higher CG and I went up to Load range "D" tires but didn't really need to do that but wanted heavier duty tires due to off-pavement use.

That rig handled and performed awesomely and had my needs not changed I would still be driving that combo.

If you haven't already you might check out the Tundra forums and read what other tundra owners have and are doing with larger TC's.

I have been collecting photos from the Internet of Tundra's with TC's since approximately 2007 and have seen a wide variety of Truck campers put on Toyota Tundra's.

It is the best vehicle I have ever owned and had a hard time letting it go, it performed great with and without the TC.

Feel free to message me if you have specific questions about either the truck or TC.

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wintersun
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I trucked all over on and offroad with a 4WD Toyota mini-truck carrying a Six-Pack camper. The combination worked great for many years. I would trust a Toyota half-ton truck over any made by the big 3, especialling offroad.

The payload in the bed is primarily limited by the tires' load capacity at the rear axle. There is going to be a maximum load range that they can carry. Secondary concerns are the shocks and leaf springs and even 3/4 and 1-ton truck owners end up augmenting the stock springs, shocks, and replacing the stock tires before heading down the highway with their new camper.

The heavier the camper the less you can carry in passenger, gear, fresh water, and other items so get the lightest camper that will still work. The smaller campers forgo a shower and most will have a cassette toilet. Holding tanks for fresh water and gray water will be smaller which can be restrictive. Some do not have a house battery and that is not good. You do not want to have the camper draining the starter battery for the truck.

The camper forums for offroad use will provide a great deal of information that is applicable to 1/2 ton trucks. This forum is 99% comprised of people with large heavy duty and very heavy trucks with large and super large campers. Lots of good information in these areas but not a good source of information for anyone with a 1/2 ton truck.

Shiltsy
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USMC,

To answer your questions...

- This is my first season with this setup. The guy I bought it from ran the exact same Tundra setup with bags and E tires for 3 years and said his experience was great as well. He did a lot of highway and mountainous terrain out west.

- Just completed a 300 mile trip and the rig was an absolute dream. I had the Lance 825 and my Skeeter bass boat that added a couple hundred more pounds of tongue weight. The Tundra got 10 mpg.

- Braking is fine, but I'm sure it's further than without a load. I have the transmission help with slowing whenever possible.

- Fridge is small and I ended up shuttling a lot of beers from warm storage to fridge. Bringing a cooler next time!
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2010 Lance 825 Truck Camper
2010 Toyota Tundra TRD | Firestone air bags | Bridgestone Dueler AT E rated tires

A comfortable hard side truck camper paired with 1/2 ton truck!

sourdoughben
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FYI, 2 gen Tundra rear axles are very strong. From '07 on they have big brakes, big axles and ring gears, heavier than 1/2tons
http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/drivetrain/2007_toyota_tundra_rear_axle/

Tarkin75
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usmc, I don't have a Tundra, but I looked at the specs of a similarly equipped Tundra to my F-150. Payload on the Tundra was a little over 100lbs less. Not far off, but already behind the curve if only slightly, but still comparable to the big 3 IMNSHO. So some of the thoughts/opinions things to do shouldn't matter too much based on brand and you could broaden your options a bit, so hopefully this helps.

To be perfectly honest though, I really haven't heard any good things about Tundra's from people who actually use them for anything other than a glorified grocery getter, but obviously ymmv. /Cue the person screaming "I do it all the time and you have no clue what you're talking about!" Just relaying my personal experience, I have no bias against Tundra's other than I really don't care for their looks.

I've got a Pastime camper that should weigh, if the manufacturer's numbers are even close to accurate, 1050 dry, and about 12-1300 lbs with all the options they gave me. With just the camper, myself, and the Jacks on the rig, with nothing else, I'm already overloaded, and as far as I can tell, this is a fairly light camper. If I take the jacks off i'm right at payload capacity, maybe a couple % points over.

In that config my F150 handles it fairly well, doesn't cadillac too much, and really doesn't feel overloaded. But, i'd like to tow my sailboat, it's not too big at about 2700 lbs fully loaded, but it's adding another 200 lbs tongue weight to the limits.

My F150 has the increased tow package capability too btw. Not sure what my exact GCVWR is, but from what I've read online, i'll still be under, though only by about 10% when towing the boat and camper and fully loaded with supplies.

I added the timbrens so far.. they are great with the camper on, and feels more "solid", though my sample size doesn't include highway miles yet, but should soon.

Advantages of the Timbrens so far are they are more affordable, and they are EASY as pie to install, I don't even really notice them under normal driving conditions as well, unless you hit something pretty hard then the back end feels a lot stiffer.

Negatives, with a little bit of weight, like 200 lbs of tongue weight and no camper, the timbrens are automatically engaged, and the rear end is STIFF. My boat bumps around a lot more back there without the extra weight to really soften the timbrens. Something to consider if your primary use is camper on, or camper off and towing. In my case primary use is camper off and towing, so I might see about shorter timbrens and airbags in the future to see if I can increase the "all purpose" ability.

I do agree with the people on here that say you need to go out and "try it" to see what happens. None of the manufacturer numbers are absolute, and as someone in another thread pointed out, many of the "payload" numbers are based on a certain PSI tire of a certain size. In my case the payload rating is at 35 PSI, but the tires have a max PSI of 44, so i've increased the pressure in them to about 40 to see if that makes a difference or not. I'm sure your Tundra is the same.

After my first trek, if the Timbrens and current tires don't cut it, i'll be upgrading tires, not to Airbags just yet, though again i'd like to do something at some point to make it better "overall".

Another thing to consider is removing the jacks. I've read many people state that a lot of campgrounds don't allow you to separate the truck. And i've seen lots of people that load it up and never separate it anyways. In my case if I remove the jacks i'm removing a good 130 lbs or so from the camper.

Anyways, hope that helps some...

Later
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usmcshepherd
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Shiltsy

Thank you so much for the response...I knew there were owners out there just probably not as many as the other larger trucks. So in addition to the R rated tires and airbags did you have to do anything else? I suggested to my father in law to use Timbrens...I have recently added these to my unit and could immediately tell the improvement in handling as well as the fact it brought my rig 100% level now. How far have you traveled? How long have you been with this setup? Braking ok? Anything else you could share would be great....as with others of course!
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shiltsy1
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I have a 2010 Tundra double cab TRD off road and a Lance 825. I installed air bags and E rated tires and she hauls like a dream. I did a 10 mile test run before bags and with stock BFG tires. It was close to bottoming out and really wallowed down the road. I wouldn't feel overly comfortable on the highway without suspension/tire upgrades.
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2010 Lance 825
2010 Toyota Tundra / Firestone airbags / Bridgestone Dueler AT E rated tires

A comfortable hard side TC with shower on a 1/2 ton truck!

billtex
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usmcshepherd wrote:
All,

I didn't start this thread to compare Tundra's to any other brand truck on the market but rather to seek advice from those that had personal experience with them. Having owned a Tundra before I know they are a fantastic product...what I'm seeking is advice from those who are using them with TCs and feedback on how they are handling the task as well as what modifications were done to the truck to allow it to haul a TC. I spoke with the Lance Rep for the east coast the other day and he said he had seen and spoke with numerous happy Tundra/Lance owners...but I'd still like to talk with a few owners. Anyway, thanks for all the opinions but I'm looking for real experience (good or bad).


I would say the minimal response here speaks volumes...

Try the Expo forum...lots of ToyBoys there...smaller/offroad campers.

Mostly hard side/HD trucks here.


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usmcshepherd
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All,

I didn't start this thread to compare Tundra's to any other brand truck on the market but rather to seek advice from those that had personal experience with them. Having owned a Tundra before I know they are a fantastic product...what I'm seeking is advice from those who are using them with TCs and feedback on how they are handling the task as well as what modifications were done to the truck to allow it to haul a TC. I spoke with the Lance Rep for the east coast the other day and he said he had seen and spoke with numerous happy Tundra/Lance owners...but I'd still like to talk with a few owners. Anyway, thanks for all the opinions but I'm looking for real experience (good or bad).
2011 Ram 3500 / 2013 Lance 1172
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mrp116
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Yes, and their rear axle looks like a toothpick.


That is a statement made by someone who is obviously prejudiced to the big three and ignorant of comparable half ton rear end specs. What would you say the big three rear ends compare to? A strand of silk thread? Tundras may have a lower payload, but no part of their rear end is the weak point. I suggest you do a bit of research on Tundra rear ends. It is generally accepted fact their rear ends are more comparable to a three quarter or full ton truck. Not saying the Tundra is a great truck for a TC, but giving credit where credit is due.

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