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[PButler96]

Stopped in the local friendly Ford dealer this morning, they had a 22 F 250 loaded up XLT CC, 6 1/2' bed,7.3 gas up on the ramps near the highway. Could of drove it home for $8K over sticker lol. The sales manager told me Ford has stopped building Super Dutys, if you order today the earliest one can expect it is May 2023......maybe, and said expect msrp to go up across the board $4K by then. They had a shiny silver F-150 lightning waiting to be delivered, it went for $25K above sticker. They just furloughed 6 sales people.

People are out of their minds.

[RetiredRealtorR]

PButler96 wrote:

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:


No, I can't decide what size truck everyone needs, however, the 'full size' truck of 10-15 years ago wasn't near the behemoth that 'full size' trucks are today.

You're showing your age Rick. Why not look up the dimension specs to say a 2022 F250 and compare that to a 1995 or so F250? Make sure to have the comparable cab and bed length. You'll find the dimensions are only different by a couple of inches. Height of bed rails do not count nor does the height of the hood. Now if your comparing a 2022 to a 1949, then you're spot on.

Yes, height of bed rails and height of hood DO count, as they make for a bigger truck, more difficult for some people to maneuver and park, as those measurements affect visibility, especially for a shorter driver. You can't pick & choose which dimensions make a truck bigger and which don't. They ALL come into play. That's like saying the length and width of my house count when calculating the size of it . . . but the height does not. Really? :h

[Grit_dog]

wowens79 wrote:
I'll give the dealers some slack on the over MSRP pricing, I don't like it, but I bet their number of cars sold is half what it normally is, so I can see getting what you can for them.

Also if they sell for MSRP, there are alot of guys that would buy it for that, and flip it for $10k over MSRP the next day. I'm seeing this all over the Super Duty pages. Guys that ordered multiple trucks, and are selling them as soon as they get them for a profit.

Bingo. Hit the nail on the head.

[wowens79]

I'll give the dealers some slack on the over MSRP pricing, I don't like it, but I bet their number of cars sold is half what it normally is, so I can see getting what you can for them.

Also if they sell for MSRP, there are alot of guys that would buy it for that, and flip it for $10k over MSRP the next day. I'm seeing this all over the Super Duty pages. Guys that ordered multiple trucks, and are selling them as soon as they get them for a profit.

[wowens79]

I feel for the guys that need a truck now as they will have to pay a premium to not wait.

But if you are patient and do research there are dealers that when the order banks were open were willing to make deals. I've got an F350 on order that I'm getting for 2% below invoice, which is about 6k under MSRP. Only catch is it will end up being a 6-7 month wait, and flying to pick it up. No dealers around me would come off of sticker. For me it will be a $250 flight, $500 in gas, and a night in a hotel, but will still save me $5000, and the truck will be broken in, and ready to tow when I get home. I'll have a fun road trip.

[cummins2014]

PA12DRVR wrote:

cummins2014 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
You guys are too funny!
Behemoth trucks? Bigger than 10-15 years ago?
Lol.

Nobody seems to be bitting Grit ,that's twice you attempted to get a rise out of someone. :B

Not quite a bite, but I'll jump in. For as long as I can remember...and that goes back to the late '60's, Fords have "sat higher" than a comparable Chevy. In my driveway, I have a 2009 MY Chevy 2500, CC, 6.XX' bed, 4WD....my math says that is 13-14 years ago depending on how one counts model years. I also have a 2019 F250, CC, 6.XX' bed, 4WD, etc...a 3 year old vehicle. Other than the F250 "sitting higher" (and the older truck showing it's use-it-for-everything 150k more miles history), these trucks are the same general size and appearance. They fit in the same spots on my driveway, at my work, and at my wife's work.

Compare either of these to my buddy's restored '65 "Full size" Ford and the 2009 Chevy or the 2019 F250 are both obviously larger..but surprisingly not significantly larger than my other buddy's '6X (not sure of the year) restored International Harvester CC pickup.

I think the "behemoth trucks" of today are likely the pavement queen 150's and 1500's with all sorts of upsized components that, in all likelihood, will never see a bog, field, or rocky hill.

Yes , owned a couple of those Ford High Boys as we called them .

[cummins2014]

Grit dog wrote:

cummins2014 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
You guys are too funny!
Behemoth trucks? Bigger than 10-15 years ago?
Lol.

Nobody seems to be bitting Grit ,that's twice you attempted to get a rise out of someone. :B

Well, it’s pretty hot outside in most places today. Even here on the coast.
Fishin is usually pretty slow in this weather, but maybe someone will bite!

It’s been great weather here in SW Montana, and the bites been great ??

[PA12DRVR]

cummins2014 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
You guys are too funny!
Behemoth trucks? Bigger than 10-15 years ago?
Lol.

Nobody seems to be bitting Grit ,that's twice you attempted to get a rise out of someone. :B

Not quite a bite, but I'll jump in. For as long as I can remember...and that goes back to the late '60's, Fords have "sat higher" than a comparable Chevy. In my driveway, I have a 2009 MY Chevy 2500, CC, 6.XX' bed, 4WD....my math says that is 13-14 years ago depending on how one counts model years. I also have a 2019 F250, CC, 6.XX' bed, 4WD, etc...a 3 year old vehicle. Other than the F250 "sitting higher" (and the older truck showing it's use-it-for-everything 150k more miles history), these trucks are the same general size and appearance. They fit in the same spots on my driveway, at my work, and at my wife's work.

Compare either of these to my buddy's restored '65 "Full size" Ford and the 2009 Chevy or the 2019 F250 are both obviously larger..but surprisingly not significantly larger than my other buddy's '6X (not sure of the year) restored International Harvester CC pickup.

I think the "behemoth trucks" of today are likely the pavement queen 150's and 1500's with all sorts of upsized components that, in all likelihood, will never see a bog, field, or rocky hill.

[Grit_dog]

cummins2014 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
You guys are too funny!
Behemoth trucks? Bigger than 10-15 years ago?
Lol.

Nobody seems to be bitting Grit ,that's twice you attempted to get a rise out of someone. :B

Well, it’s pretty hot outside in most places today. Even here on the coast.
Fishin is usually pretty slow in this weather, but maybe someone will bite!

[cummins2014]

Grit dog wrote:
You guys are too funny!
Behemoth trucks? Bigger than 10-15 years ago?
Lol.

Nobody seems to be bitting Grit ,that's twice you attempted to get a rise out of someone. :B

[Grit_dog]

valhalla360 wrote:

Gooma wrote:
Dealers ahve found suckers that are willing to pay over sticker price, soemtimes by a large amount. Why will they lower prices? The days of discounrs of 5K to 10K are gone.

I agree that as long as they can get someone to buy for a higher price, they will sell at a higher price. Until supply catches up with demand, that's going to be true.

I disagree that discounts will never come back. The big players can't afford to let others undercut them and take market share. The exception is right now, they are cleaning up production problems and simply can't meet demand. One they start catching up, expect them to start fighting for market share like they always do.

Good explanation valhalla.

[valhalla360]

Gooma wrote:
Dealers ahve found suckers that are willing to pay over sticker price, soemtimes by a large amount. Why will they lower prices? The days of discounrs of 5K to 10K are gone.

I agree that as long as they can get someone to buy for a higher price, they will sell at a higher price. Until supply catches up with demand, that's going to be true.

I disagree that discounts will never come back. The big players can't afford to let others undercut them and take market share. The exception is right now, they are cleaning up production problems and simply can't meet demand. One they start catching up, expect them to start fighting for market share like they always do.

[PButler96]

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:


No, I can't decide what size truck everyone needs, however, the 'full size' truck of 10-15 years ago wasn't near the behemoth that 'full size' trucks are today.

You're showing your age Rick. Why not look up the dimension specs to say a 2022 F250 and compare that to a 1995 or so F250? Make sure to have the comparable cab and bed length. You'll find the dimensions are only different by a couple of inches. Height of bed rails do not count nor does the height of the hood. Now if your comparing a 2022 to a 1949, then you're spot on.

[PButler96]

Nv Guy wrote:
But then if some idiot wants to be the first to have a new Lighting and is willing to pay than much, it makes it easier for me to buy less than MSRP.

How about explaining how that works? This particular dealer had around two dozen or so new vehicles parked in a row out front so passersby could clearly see the stickers on the window. It was simply eye candy to sucker people in as every single one was a special order awaiting delivery or one that was in their allotment and sold before it ever hit the dealers lot, in most cases sold online to buyers from out of town or other states. You're not getting below MSRP or even close to it unless you have some type of special relationship with a dealer like pictures of the sales manager and a hooker going into Motel 6 lol.

[Grit_dog]

You guys are too funny!
Behemoth trucks? Bigger than 10-15 years ago?
Lol.

[Nv_Guy]

PButler96 wrote:
Stopped in the local friendly Ford dealer this morning, they had a 22 F 250 loaded up XLT CC, 6 1/2' bed,7.3 gas up on the ramps near the highway. Could of drove it home for $8K over sticker lol. The sales manager told me Ford has stopped building Super Dutys, if you order today the earliest one can expect it is May 2023......maybe, and said expect msrp to go up across the board $4K by then. They had a shiny silver F-150 lightning waiting to be delivered, it went for $25K above sticker. They just furloughed 6 sales people.

People are out of their minds.

Wow sign me up, "only" $8K? The local Ford dealer is asking $ 10K, over MSRP, with one truck $15K over.

I have a real issue with these dealers gouging people, as some buyers don't have a choice, perhaps their existing vehicle was totaled or stolen. But then if some idiot wants to be the first to have a new Lighting and is willing to pay than much, it makes it easier for me to buy less than MSRP.