what defines a 3/4 ton?

[philh]

If it's payload capacity, then why isn't a properly equipped F150 considered a 3/4 ton truck?

[ShinerBock]

valhalla360 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:


Yes, but as I keep saying, that is your opinion which you are allowed to have. However, opinions change from one person to the next. There are no set criteria on what constitutes a truck being a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, or 1 ton. It is all subjective depending on who you ask.

Nope, not an opinion unless you want to say that 98% of the truck buying population is of the same opinion.

Everyone knows when they walk onto the lot which are 1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton trucks (again with the exception of the asian brands which are a tiny percentage of the market anyway)

Yes, it is opinion. Just go to the GM forums and see them debate whether a 2500LD was actually a 3/4 ton. Half say yes, and half say no. Then there is the Ford light duty F250. Half say it was a 3/4 ton and half say no. Then their is the F350 that gets de-rated into a 10k GVWR. Most say it is still a 1 ton while others say it is now 3/4 ton. Then there is the F250 with the camper package which essentially gave you the exact same truck, suspension and all, as an F350, but with an F250 badge. Some say it is still a 3/4 ton because of the 250 badge and others say it is a 1 ton because it has the exact same components as the F350.

So yes, it is all opinion.

[valhalla360]

ShinerBock wrote:


Yes, but as I keep saying, that is your opinion which you are allowed to have. However, opinions change from one person to the next. There are no set criteria on what constitutes a truck being a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, or 1 ton. It is all subjective depending on who you ask.

Nope, not an opinion unless you want to say that 98% of the truck buying population is of the same opinion.

Everyone knows when they walk onto the lot which are 1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton trucks (again with the exception of the asian brands which are a tiny percentage of the market anyway)

[FlatBroke]

Terryallan wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
1/2, 3/4, 1 ton. Those terms are obsolete and have been meaningless for years. But old habits die hard.

Exactly right. It is better if you just go by the manufacturers designation of F150, 1500, F250, 2500, and F350, 3500 series. Those will tell you which is the more heavy duty.

Most F150s, and 1500 series trucks have had more than 3/4 ton of payload for years. After all that is only 1500lbs. few if any (except diesel) F150s, 1500 series have only 1/2 ton, or 1000lb of payload.

Ditto, and you can add 2500HD to that.

[ShinerBock]

valhalla360 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:



Then what is a Titan XD? Some people say it is a 1/2 ton and others say it is 3/4 ton due to its GVWR. What about the F450 pickup? Is is a 1 ton since it is in the same GVWR class as the rest of the 350/3500 trucks or is it a 1 1/4 ton? People have different opinions about that as well.

Already addressed in previous posts:
- The asian trucks are odd man out not following industry convention and it shows in the sales numbers.
- 4 series and higher aren't being bought as grocery getters. The people buying those are almost exclusively looking at the ratings not the series. They really aren't marketed to the general public.

Yes, but as I keep saying, that is your opinion which you are allowed to have. However, opinions change from one person to the next. There are no set criteria on what constitutes a truck being a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, or 1 ton. It is all subjective depending on who you ask.

Just like the old GM 2500LD and 2500HD pickups I mentioned. People used to debate whether the LD is a 3/4 ton or 1/2 ton all the time with no definitive answer. It was purely based on opinion which changed from person to person and nobody could really say the other is wrong since there are no set criteria on what defines a 3/4 ton.

There used to be definitive rules what determines each truck type decades ago. A 1/2 ton was only rated to haul half a ton, a 3/4 ton was only rated haul three quarters of a ton, and a 1 ton could haul one ton. These rules no longer apply because you have trucks that many consider to be a 1/2 ton able to haul more than a ton.

So whatever set criteria you have as to what constitutes a 3/4 ton to you or anyone else is purely opinion because there are no rules. Again, you are more than allowed to have that opinion, but you have to keep in mind that it is purely opinion and not fact. So you can't expect others to have the same opinion.

[valhalla360]

ShinerBock wrote:



Then what is a Titan XD? Some people say it is a 1/2 ton and others say it is 3/4 ton due to its GVWR. What about the F450 pickup? Is is a 1 ton since it is in the same GVWR class as the rest of the 350/3500 trucks or is it a 1 1/4 ton? People have different opinions about that as well.

Already addressed in previous posts:
- The asian trucks are odd man out not following industry convention and it shows in the sales numbers.
- 4 series and higher aren't being bought as grocery getters. The people buying those are almost exclusively looking at the ratings not the series. They really aren't marketed to the general public.

[JIMNLIN]

philh wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:
The F150HDPP has a 4800 rawr which is small and limits it to approx 2400-2500 lb payload in the bed.

Where does one find the RAWR for a specific truck?

Certification sticker is on the drivers side door post and looks like shiners picture. Your looking for a fawr and rawr.
The F150 has had over a dozen different gvwr numbers from a low 6200 on up to a 7850 and 5 or so RAWR numbers.
Fleet Ford specs can show number like...
7850 gvwr and 4800 rawr for the HDPP.
7550 gvwr and 4550 rawr..
7050 gvwr and 4050 rawr...
6800 gvwr and 3800 rawr...
and even lower than that.
As you see ya' gotta' have the HDPP for carrying hitch loads from a 8k-10k 5er.


The 3.5 Eboost engine or the 5.0 with the right gears has the power to pull the 10k 5th wheel trailer.

As you see depending on which F150 is being cussed or discussed make a big difference.

Any 3/4 ton gazz or diesel will have no issues pulling a 10k 5er or carrying its hitch load.

[blt2ski]

To OP,
're F150 struggling with a 5W..... how was it struggling?!? Wheels flat, back end at the ground? Or not going fast enough?
Each of the Dr two issues is a separate issue IMHO.
Back end low. Truck does not have enough suspension. Does not matter on badging etc. But pulls a trailer like a bat out of he!!, A num Dr of folks on here bought 2500 GM Marx's when they first came out as it had a high tow rating, but could not handle the hitch weight. Back end bottomed out on bumps etc.
Too slow.... power inadequate. This could be due to smallest motor in that chassis! Seen this with.older 25/35 series truck when you could get a 125HP 300 cubic inch 6 cylinder. Suspension handle trailer fine. Power sucked!
This is not just about a size only issue. It's Any truck on the road can get into a struggling issue, due to power or suspension issues.

Marty

[Grit_dog]

philh wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Is this really a serious discussion or have the last 77 posts been tongue in cheek?

I started this as a serious question after watching a F150 struggle with a 5th wheel. I don't know the wt of the trailer or capacity of the truck, but I was thinking that given the common mantra, you need a 3/4 ton for a 5th wheel, and it is technically possible to have a F150 with a 1500+ payload capacity, what is a 3/4 ton?

Oh, I thought even the original post was just to get folks fired up.
Oops, my bad. Well, it worked anyways.
I guess the answer is, aside from the inane banter that has now become this thread, "1/2ton, 3/4ton, 1ton" is not an accurate designation or literal description that relates to anything at all really other than general order of magnitude, but rather they are kinda like synonymous terms like Kleenex and Thermos.
It takes a special breed to take things so literally though and that type of behavior is typically exhibited in children of a young age, but for some reason, it is also exhibited by many members of this forum. Probably 10x more at least than any other forum chat I frequent.

[ShinerBock]

JIMNLIN wrote:

No...the different year model 350/3500 have their own gvwr/gawrs and are what they are.

I disagree especially when talking about what a truck can handle. There will be a huge difference in towing 13k with a 98 SRW F350 versus a 2014 Ram 2500. Year model will play a big role.

JIMNLIN wrote:
We all have our own definition of what numbers defines a 3/4 ton truck.

Exactly, which is why I say these terms are subjective and can mean different things to different people.

[ShinerBock]

JRscooby wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
RGAWR

What in sam hill is RGAWR?

Rear Gross Axle Weight Rating.

It is the weight rating of the front or rear axle system which includes axles, suspension, brakes, and tires.

I have messed with trucks my whole life. I understand Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. Front/Rear Axle Weight Rating, but when you throw "Gross" into then you are implying 2 or more axles involved...

I have too, but mainly in the medium and heavy duty industry. The front and rear have their own independent gross axle rating in every manufacturers technical specifications charts like the one below.

2014 Ram 2500 Base Weights/GCW/Payload/Trailer Tow

And it is on most door stickers like this one.

[philh]

Grit dog wrote:
Is this really a serious discussion or have the last 77 posts been tongue in cheek?

I started this as a serious question after watching a F150 struggle with a 5th wheel. I don't know the wt of the trailer or capacity of the truck, but I was thinking that given the common mantra, you need a 3/4 ton for a 5th wheel, and it is technically possible to have a F150 with a 1500+ payload capacity, what is a 3/4 ton?

[philh]

JIMNLIN wrote:
The F150HDPP has a 4800 rawr which is small and limits it to approx 2400-2500 lb payload in the bed.

Where does one find the RAWR for a specific truck?

[JIMNLIN]

Since you are going based on GAWR, does that mean the many old pre-2006 350/3500's are now considered 3/4 tons since today's 250/2500 have higher GAWRs?

No...the different year model 350/3500 have their own gvwr/gawrs and are what they are.
My reply is toward the OP 2 part connected questions about a F150 payload vs a 3/4 ton payload. And along the line some rv folks think the gvwr based payload stickers determines a trucks actual payload.

We all have our own definition of what numbers defines a 3/4 ton truck.

[JRscooby]

ShinerBock wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
RGAWR

What in sam hill is RGAWR?

Rear Gross Axle Weight Rating.

It is the weight rating of the front or rear axle system which includes axles, suspension, brakes, and tires.

I have messed with trucks my whole life. I understand Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. Front/Rear Axle Weight Rating, but when you throw "Gross" into then you are implying 2 or more axles involved...

[ShinerBock]

Since you are going based on GAWR, does that mean the many old pre-2006 350/3500's are now considered 3/4 tons since today's 250/2500 have higher GAWRs?

Then there were the years GM had two versions of the the 2500 in the late 90 early 2000's . The 2500LD with semi-floating axles and then the 2500HD with full floating axles. Ford also made a lighter duty F250 in the late 90's as well. Then there is the Titan XD that some say it isn't a 3/4 ton(which technically is incorrect since its GVWR is in the same class as other 250/2500 trucks) which has semi float rear axles as well. Are these still a 3/4 ton? Does everyone agree on that decision?

This is why I say is all opinion since there is no correct answer since there is not set rules or guidelines that determine where each truck goes. There is also contradicting arguments for every case too.