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Avion truck campers - Hundreds of photos

67avion
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Without going into too much painful detail, we had a mishap several week-ends ago. While working with sand bag crews on the Mississippi River, the truck and camper fell into the flood waters as a road collapsed. Because of a number of issues dealing with the wrecker truck, we had to release the camper as the truck was reeled up over the bank. The good news is that the truck is as good as new after a thorough rinsing, inspection of brakes, etc. The bad news is that the camper was thoroughly drowned. A lot of people had far worse trouble than we did, so we consider ourselves lucky. The floods are ongoing as I write.

Our planned trip to Montana in June is called off. heh.

However, I have now convinced my dear Jane that its time to really update the TC. After drying for several days we pulled out the interior. Amazingly the Zolatone paint that I had applied last year is good as new after a cleaning.



Without burdening the TC family overmuch, I'd like to ask some advice other than don't park too near a flood :-).

My DW was overjoyed that I had a plan for the bathroom: a composting toilet developed by Nature's Head http://www.natureshead.net/. Our holding tank was practically unusable and there was no real grey water tank on the 67 Avion. Our plan is to rip out the bathroom and install one of these and converting the blackwater to a greywater tank. Any experience with this?

Finally, the roof. I admit that I have not really done the work I should have. Now, I need to remove the various sealants on the roof and repair it. We are also setting up for a solar installation. Any advice as to this?



Here's hoping I have posted the pictures correctly. And many thanks in advance for your advice.
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Desertboy
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Hey folks, do any of you remember which one of the members had their Avion mounted on a trailer? I was going to show the wife that Pic and cant find it. This is a long thread when you are hunting for one picture.
1969 AVION
3/4 12 VALVE

Freightliner/24' Flatbed 50,000 miles/ Titan 4000 receiver Hitch, no Mods needed.

cajunavion
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Howdy!
Now lets see that BIG hole you have opened up
in the back of your truck cab!

D1trout
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67, that's a great piece of trip reporting. You didn't make any wrong turns... Interesting to see the Airstream appreciation has spread worldwide. That's got to be good for us Avionistas. Lots of interest abroad in traveling to areas where towing a trailer wouldn't really be appropriate.
Gary was preparing to cut out the back of Argo's Ford yesterday to fit the Avion on the frame and a friend there remarked that it was going to hurt the value of the truck. I said I preferred to think of the process as increasing the value of the Avion substantially.
We'll be dry fitting early next week, with the passthrough in place!

67avion
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I note that another poster has put up an Avion truck camper listed at $8995. When we first started this string I think that the average for a good Avion TC was around $2K to $3K. That's quite a jump in expectations.

Recently Jane and I were cruising the back roads near Marion, Kansas. We took a couple of wrong turns and came up on a shop with dozens of Airstream trailers in various states of repair. The guy, whom I met, went into business about 5 years or so ago and he sells through the internet as Airstreamguy.com.

Here is what was interesting. There were Australians and Germans walking around his shop in the middle of nowhere Kansas. They were buying Airstreams and shipping them back home. I talked to the guys and they had developed businesses of completely restoring the Airstreams for their respective markets.

So, I turned the corner and there was a C-11 sitting inside the shop. It was listed at $7,000 and had drawn the attention of the Australians since they have good sized trucks.



I was stunned by the entrepreneurship that was tapping into a worldwide demand for the aluminum crafted trailers - and now perhaps for the Avion TC.

The resale numbers appear to be rising...

67avion
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Cajun, you're absolutely right. Last week I was in the parking lot of the Little Apple Brewing Company in Manhattan, Kansas, when several cars began circling old '67. On one pass I saw them turning a thumbs up and grinning.

Later while enjoying a stunning local lamb kibbe sausage with bulgur wheat, spices, mint and pine nuts along with a Prairie Pale Ale (the memory!) the same guys came up and introduced themselves as engineering students at Kansas State. They had never seen an Avion before, but it was the coolest RV they could imagine. I bought a round of ale, of course.

Every gas station a press conference.

And yes, D1, the road to Muley Point has many twists and turns. Even when you get there.

Onward!

cajunavion
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Howdy!
This one is rich! We ran in to grab a bite. Not a soul in sight. When
we returned, we were surrounded. Right smack dab
the middle of a parking lot car show. Everyone was
captivated. (I think we might have even won something!)

Ocean_Avion_TC
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As promised here are some pictures of the awning. Not as easy to set up as one of the new style ones but this is in better shape than the one that is on a 2005 travel trailer I have.

In this picture you can see the awning enclosure above the kitchen side windows.



A โ€œQuality Product from A&E Systemsโ€.





First you can see the two clips along the topside of the enclosure which has protected the awning for so long.



Opened up you have the lower arm folded attached to the awning drum and the upper arms that are clipped in above the awning



The awning partially out, upper arms not connected.



The mounting clip on the side of the camper for the lower arms. They could also be placed directly on the ground and staked in.



Detail of the upper arm clipped in to the awning drum



Awning out in position. Unfortunately the front lower arm is missing the proper stop and thus was not holding.



Overall it took me about 10 minutes to set up the awning by myself. The biggest issue with the awning was that I needed a 6 foot ladder to set it up, which is not something I'm likely to carry when camping. Which is probably why this one is in such good condition (it was used very little). As cool as it is to have an original awning I do like the way and ease of your set up 67avion, and will probably do something similar off the back of the camper.
70 Avion C11 Ultra
08 GMC 3500 Sierra

garryk6
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D1trout wrote:
69, you always raise such good considerations and I appreciate it.
I am currently thinking to have a 3/4" neoprene pad between the cabover and the truck's roof, and then thrubolt in some fashion to compress the neoprene for a snug fit but not so much as to eliminate a wee bit of wiggle.
The joint between the front of Argo and the back of the truck cab will be rigid - a flange with bolts and caulking. I'm expecting that the camper and cab will behave as a single unit and that that unit will tolerate a bit of movement in the truck chassis, to be addressed by the 12 rubber body mounts I am installing.
I mentioned in a recent post that the Tiger motorhome folks bolt everything together quite solidly and have reported no failures in hundreds of thousands of miles on 4WD chassis.
We shall see whether my engineering and their's produce the same outcome.


Does anyone know if any of the Tigers were ever mounted on Ford's? I have seen many mounted on Chevy's. If the twisting is an issue, and Chevy uses boxed frames while Ford uses C-Channel frame, maybe that is why Tiger can bolt directly thru, because they are using Chevy vice Ford...

I am a Ford man, so I am not trying to create a debate. Just wanted to know if Tiger ever used Ford, that would tell you if you are comparing Apples and Apples, or if you are comparing Apples to Oranges...

Just my two cents.....

Garry
Garry K
Wife + 4 kids
Retired Military Family.... Alway's on the move....
2002 F350 CCSB 5.4 6spd 4x4 in AK
1966 Avion C-10 Truck Camper

D1trout
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Well, we shall see. The road to Muley Point has a lot of twists and turns and rough spots along the
way.

69_Avion
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I found it interesting when you mentioned earlier that they had a rigid connection.
If you used the neoprene with a "boot" like what they used in campers decades ago, it would give you a tight seal, and flex between the two structures.
I like your idea of a rigid mount, but I'm just concerned that something will get twisted if you go off road and the truck frame twists excessively.
Ford F-350 4x4 Diesel
1988 Avion Triple Axle Trailer
1969 Avion C-11 Camper

D1trout
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69, you always raise such good considerations and I appreciate it.
I am currently thinking to have a 3/4" neoprene pad between the cabover and the truck's roof, and then thrubolt in some fashion to compress the neoprene for a snug fit but not so much as to eliminate a wee bit of wiggle.
The joint between the front of Argo and the back of the truck cab will be rigid - a flange with bolts and caulking. I'm expecting that the camper and cab will behave as a single unit and that that unit will tolerate a bit of movement in the truck chassis, to be addressed by the 12 rubber body mounts I am installing.
I mentioned in a recent post that the Tiger motorhome folks bolt everything together quite solidly and have reported no failures in hundreds of thousands of miles on 4WD chassis.
We shall see whether my engineering and their's produce the same outcome.

69_Avion
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I would think that you should have some "flex" between the cab and the camper. There is no doubt that the truck frame flexes and the cab is on rubber, just like the frame you are building. If the cab and the camper are connected rigid, what happens when the frame flexes?
A Ford frame flexes more than a GM frame because the Ford uses "C" channel and the GM has a boxed frame. This is just something to consider.
Ford F-350 4x4 Diesel
1988 Avion Triple Axle Trailer
1969 Avion C-11 Camper

D1trout
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Here's the Argo update for August 6th. Gary, the master fabricator and I dry fit the aluminum frame on the truck and then set Argo down on that frame to determine that the measurements were accurate. They were - wonders never cease!
The first pic shows the universal body mount bumpers I got from Energy Suspension. They are about the same size and flexibility as the bumpers that support the truck cab.

Here's the frame itself:

Here's Argo actually resting on the frame. My particular concern was the clearance between the bottom of the cabover and the top of the truck cab. It's as I projected. Now I'm sourcing a rubber mat to seal the union of the two surfaces, which get bolted together. The wooden board clamped horizontally along the base of the camper is just a stop so we could get Argo centered on the frame. You can see that Argo ios quite snug up against the back of the cab.

The pink(sagging)strings represent the various levels which the body side panels may come down to. Still to be decided.
And finally, here's what gets taken out over the weekend. Still scratching my head about how to seal the cab/camper connecting surfaces.

But the camper sits quite tight against the cab so I'm optimistic that with lots of caulking and bolts, it can be made tight and waterproof.
The triangular ends of the window will be filled with welded-in metal sheet, Bondo-ed, and painted white.
Pushin' the rock up the hill...
Onward!
Dick

67avion
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D1 and 69avion,

I understand that it's always 70 degrees and a pleasant breeze at Muley Point.

However, this trip is to Dodge City and an old eccentric friend who is fading.

I'd like to trace all of the trails - the Oregon, Santa Fe and Cimmaron. They're all still visable, a reminder of our still present raw history. I envision a caravan of Avions probing the deep history of the West and winding up at Muley Point.

I can't describe how beautiful this evening in Kansas has become with pink clouds at sunset and me and Sweet Jane enjoying the breeze from the lake.

D1trout
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67, are you going to follow the Santa Fe Trail to Santa Fe? I just read Rinker Buck's account of his recent wagon trip across the Oregon Trail and I'm longing for a big dose of American history, firsthand! I've got to get to Muley Point!