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Damaged Revolution - what to do?

Flapper
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Picked up our 5th from storage at the dealer last night. Had two service managers look at it after hitching because I historically had problems with the Reese Revolution being very hard to hitch/unhitch. They were not very knowledgeable about it, and asked me to bring it back so their 5th wheel guy could look at it. I left. There was more "clunking" than I had remembered - but this is still all pretty new to me. Drove the 15 miles, and did a tight 90 deg. back-in to the driveway. Unhitching, the Reese R16K hitch, even when fully open, would not release at all! After trying much back and forth, crawled into the bed of the pickup to see what was going on. Immediately saw that the "wedge" for the Revolution was severely bent and mangled. One of the two hitch jaws was jammed closed. Got a crowbar, and managed to pop it open. Then the truck would unhitch. Looking at the twisted metal, spotted the bolt put in the rear hole of the Revolution. Obviously, one of the dealers guys had put it in so they could move it around their yard with whatever conventional "hitch" they have on the tractor they use. Neither the guy who brought it out, nor the three who looked at it, including me, noticed the bolt used to prevent the Revolution from pivoting.
To me, the entire Revolution assembly has to be replaced. The whole pin box is bent to some extent.
My hitch may have to be replaced, will spend time later today to see if the jaws are sprung from the twisting forces. May not be able to tell, as I do not want to alter the situation much until the dealer has time to respond.
I'll call when they open, and demand they come and get it - I don't want the liability of pulling it with a mucked up pin box, even if I could get it apart and configured to hitch like a conventional pin.

What else needs serious inspection? Trailer frame? Truck bed?
Obviously the twisting forces it had to overcome in the turns were very high to bend things like it did.

Should I alert my insurance company, even though the fault was all the dealers? If the truck needs inspection, who does it - my choice of collision shop, or theirs? So many questions.....any advice is appreciated!


You can see that the right hitch jaw is still closed, here.


All that twisted metal should be laying flat on the underside of the pin box, and the box itself should be flat!


The offending bolt, and damage to the pivot point of the Revolution.
2012 F150 Eco, 4x4, SCrew, Max Tow, HD Payload
2017 Grand Design Imagine 2670MK
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Flapper
Explorer
Explorer
The dealer did step up - Kudo's to Hilltop Trailers in Minnesota!

They picked up the fifth from my house after the weekend, and installed a completely new hitch in my truck. They did not have a new revolution on hand, so the service manager took all the parts off of his personal one, to enable us to get on the road for our final trip. He did "like new" repairs to the pin box. A new Revolution was ordered, and is being replaced (with a completely new pin box) while the unit is in storage over the winter. There were lots of people from all levels of the dealership apologizing to us when we picked it up for the trip. No other damage seen to the fifth or the truck. While their mistake, I'm glad we decided to buy from them, rather than squeeze out a bit more savings from the internet dealer we were seriously considering. A class company that does care about making it right.
2012 F150 Eco, 4x4, SCrew, Max Tow, HD Payload
2017 Grand Design Imagine 2670MK

kopy_kat
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Explorer
I had almost exactly the same thing happen to my Flagstaff with the Revolution pin box--the dealer did replace the pin box and the Curt hitch--but kept complaining about how I should have shouldered some responsibility (after all--I did drive it two blocks before I noticed after a couple of turns that something was way wrong)---but by then the damage was done---the only really bad part part was missing 5 weeks of prime camping season waiting for the replacement and installation--and of course when all was said and done, the dealership owner asked me to take my future business elsewhere...
2013 Flagstaff 8528ikws---"Camp MiMiPaPa"

mountainsam
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I hope you resolved your problem Flapper and didn't have to dig too deep for repairs. I have my 5er in storage now and being the first year with this unit I will know to check, check, check prior to hook up. I like the revolution system but can see where it could create damage if improperly moved. Does anyone torque the wedge bolts yearly or more??
2017 Thor Gemini 23TR w/ 3.2 Power Stroke turbo diesel
2014 Ram 6.7 Cummins Turbo Diesel Crew Cab, Long Bed 4X4 6 Speed Auto (sold)
2013 Rockwood Signature 8281 WS w/Sidewinder Pin (sold)
DW and Sofie our Black Lab /Boxer and Phoebe our Schnoodle

cdlaine
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Richard,

(I left the stinger with them ...but don't think they used
it).

Or, perhaps they used a fork truck and a block of wood while moving, or something else silly, and tweaked it that way.


I think some combo of the above...with a very sharp turn..you
obviously are aware of the tensile strength that would be required
to torque that strut bolt... I was stunned when I removed the sheath
and saw that... learned a lesson that event.

Charles
2003 2500HD, 8.1L,CC,4.10,2WD,Allison
Standard bed
Ride-rite air bags
Prodigy
Husky 16K sliding

2013 Artic Fox 29-5T Silver Fox Ed.
Pin wt.(CAT Scale) 2660#
5th (Cat Scale) 12600#

I'll want the Frim Fram sauce with the Ausen Fey with
Chafafa on the side.... Nat

93Cobra2771
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Explorer
cdlaine wrote:
Flapper ,

I am very sorry to read of this issue... thank you for sharing,
I hope you get satisfactory resolution.

A good take home lesson for all of us.... cannot assume the
"experts" are "experts"....

I turned my last TT over to Camping World
to have some "electrical" issues evaluated. My TT had a Hensley
Hitch on the A-frame. I checked with the manager and they were
"familiar" with the Hensley. Hooked up their fork-lift and proceeded
to move my TT to the work shop. Fast forward... picked up TT and
something didn't feel right in towing. Headed out of town... long
story short after return from camping trip thought I'd re-inspect
everything. Yep, somehow they managed to torque a key component ( a
long bolt inside the right front strut assembly...critical.) ... I disassembled ,
found a local welding shop ..had the long bolt heated and straightened ...
but had no faith in the structural integrity after that... purchased a new strut assembly ...
and learned a lesson. The bolt was easily 12 -14 inches long...
sheathed in a sleeve... and somehow torqued to a "lazy -L shape" .
As it was hidden , it took me some time to realize the damage.... as such ,
I ate the repair/replacement costs.

I cannot imagine the amount of torque required to bend that huge 2 " thick bolt.

Moral... be aware of how the local repair facility re-locates your RV...
sometimes "experts" aren't "experts".

My concern over hidden damage to the frame was one (not all) of the
factors that led to trading in the unit.

Good luck

Charles


Only one way to bend a strut bar - turning too sharp. That's assuming they used your stinger to move your TT.

Or, perhaps they used a fork truck and a block of wood while moving, or something else silly, and tweaked it that way.
Richard White
2011 F150 Ecoboost SCREW 145" 4x4
Firestone Ride-Rite Air Springs/Air Lift Wireless Controller
2006 Sportsmen by KZ 2604P (30')
Hensley Arrow

Flapper
Explorer
Explorer
Crossing my fingers on this one. Reese says in previous instances that they know about, the damage is primarily to the pin box and hitch. Little to no damage to the trailer frame or the tow vehicle. Ford has given my truck the green light. Jayco supports their dealers, expecting them to be able to handle anything. This particular dealer has been around for a very long time, has great facilities and grown their business even during the recession. Not a smaller one working to get buy with a run down, poorly equipped shop. So hope springs eternal...
2012 F150 Eco, 4x4, SCrew, Max Tow, HD Payload
2017 Grand Design Imagine 2670MK

cdlaine
Explorer
Explorer
Flapper ,

I am very sorry to read of this issue... thank you for sharing,
I hope you get satisfactory resolution.

A good take home lesson for all of us.... cannot assume the
"experts" are "experts"....

I turned my last TT over to Camping World
to have some "electrical" issues evaluated. My TT had a Hensley
Hitch on the A-frame. I checked with the manager and they were
"familiar" with the Hensley. Hooked up their fork-lift and proceeded
to move my TT to the work shop. Fast forward... picked up TT and
something didn't feel right in towing. Headed out of town... long
story short after return from camping trip thought I'd re-inspect
everything. Yep, somehow they managed to torque a key component ( a
long bolt inside the right front strut assembly...critical.) ... I disassembled ,
found a local welding shop ..had the long bolt heated and straightened ...
but had no faith in the structural integrity after that... purchased a new strut assembly ...
and learned a lesson. The bolt was easily 12 -14 inches long...
sheathed in a sleeve... and somehow torqued to a "lazy -L shape" .
As it was hidden , it took me some time to realize the damage.... as such ,
I ate the repair/replacement costs.

I cannot imagine the amount of torque required to bend that huge 2 " thick bolt.

Moral... be aware of how the local repair facility re-locates your RV...
sometimes "experts" aren't "experts".

My concern over hidden damage to the frame was one (not all) of the
factors that led to trading in the unit.

Good luck

Charles
2003 2500HD, 8.1L,CC,4.10,2WD,Allison
Standard bed
Ride-rite air bags
Prodigy
Husky 16K sliding

2013 Artic Fox 29-5T Silver Fox Ed.
Pin wt.(CAT Scale) 2660#
5th (Cat Scale) 12600#

I'll want the Frim Fram sauce with the Ausen Fey with
Chafafa on the side.... Nat

tegu69
Explorer
Explorer
Hi, new here on this forum, but had to comment on this. I recently purchased an Evergreen 5er with the Revolution box from a Tampa rv dealer. I didn't know much about the pin box, but apparently I knew much more than anyone at the dealership. The wedge had been ripped off from its storage location by the forklift operator at some point and they misplaced it. The two bolts in the rear were still there, so they were just using it as a regular pin box. I use it like it was intended and it has come in handy twice so far in situations that would not have worked the conventional way. I wonder if I have to take the trailer in for service, should I take the wedge off and put the bolts back in before letting dealer move it around.

Me_Again
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Explorer III
That must have been a grade 5 or 8 bolt!!!!!!! Chris
2021 F150 2.7 Ecoboost - Summer Home 2017 Bighorn 3575el. Can Am Spyder RT-L Chrome, Kawasaki KRX1000. Retired and enjoying it! RIP DW 07-05-2021

Flapper
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Explorer
Well, I'm still assessing what gave where to allow it to work at all..
The hitch itself is definitely messed up. Jaws don't quite align when closed, and when opened the right jaw will not retract on its own. The pivot point where the hitch head mounts to the base shows dents on either side, on the front and back, indicating that the whole head was being twisted hard in the turns. No obvious damage to the truck bed, but I will be having that inspected. Now I'm fretting about the frame of the 5th itself. Nothing obvious from the outside, but the forces were obviously very high. How to figure out if there are damages is beyond me, but I worry about stress cracks or things just plain being twisted that may lead to future problems. Looks like the failure of the wedge, the hitch, and the slack around the bolt was enough to allow pivoting around one or the other pivot point. It's what else had to give to also allow it that is the question.

The very first reaction from the dealer was "We sell a lot of those, our guys wouldn't do something like that." To their very great credit, they called a two hours after receiving the pictures, and said "Yes, we did make a mistake. We'll pick everything up at your house first thing Monday, and take care of it all, in time for your trip next week." No excuses, no arguing.

I'll call Jayco, and see if I can get their opinion as to next steps for the frame and how qualified the dealer is to assess it. And be on the lookout for any attempt to "repair" rather than replace with all new.
2012 F150 Eco, 4x4, SCrew, Max Tow, HD Payload
2017 Grand Design Imagine 2670MK

glazier
Explorer II
Explorer II
After looking at this again I have to ask. How in the world did that thing work? You had one bolt in the back, thus a standard pinbox, and a destroyed wedge. How were you able to turn at all? Did that mess do damage to your hitch? No way that wedge was in your hitch funnel, and the bolt in the back of the Revolution at the same time. That looks like a mess, you definitely need a new wedge, maybe a new pinbox. You definitely need to talk to your dealer about their brain dead service guy with the farm tractor. Good luck, post updates on this, I am subscribing to this.
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2015 Chevy 2500HD LTZ Duramax CC/SB/4X4
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glazier
Explorer II
Explorer II
Yes contact your insurance company, they will get to the bottom of who is at fault. If someone other than you is to blame, they will be contacted by your insurance provider, I promise they won't let it go.
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