Frameless Windows?

[Red-Rover]

Looking for a web site that describes "frameless windows" being touted as a plus in some RV's. Best I can determine is that they are double pane? What about opening mechanisms?

[netjam]

Re Broken glass......Had 6 of mine replaced so far (2.5yrs). They have to replace the whole frame and glass. You can't just replace the glass part. (maybe you can but that's not how mine were done) 1 had the seal between the dual panes leak and 5 were replaced trying to get water leaks to stop. Mine were Lippert (Kinro). I heard Hehr are much better.

[Atom_Ant]

PawPaw_n_Gram wrote:
Okay - two panes of glass - slightly thicker, but the same seal against the rig. But I'm sure it minimizes the heat / cooling transfer though the glass more than what I have.

Rig's new - just a month old. Give me a couple more months and a few hundred miles down the road - it will be plenty dirty.

Can't really tell from the picture, but there is an air gap between the glass panes as well.

[PawPaw_n_Gram]

Okay - two panes of glass - slightly thicker, but the same seal against the rig. But I'm sure it minimizes the heat / cooling transfer though the glass more than what I have.

Rig's new - just a month old. Give me a couple more months and a few hundred miles down the road - it will be plenty dirty.

[Atom_Ant]

45Ricochet wrote:

Atom Ant wrote:
triple post

Ah come on, one more and you've hit for the cycle :B

I think it is old age - wrong button just keeps jumping out at me :B

[Atom_Ant]

Nice pics PawPaw, and nice rig!

Here is the insulated window version

[PawPaw_n_Gram]

As you can see from the open pics from the inside - there is a frame around the glass. I assume it is glued to the glass with something like rear view mirror glue.

It is just not visible from the outside.

The windows on my slides are normal framed windows which slide up to open for ventilation.



I'm a little concerned about the long term - five years or so - pliability of the seals. I'm also a little concerned about the way the 'frame' is attached to the glass. But if either of these becomes an issue with the concept of frameless windows - we will hear a lot about it.

Another concern is obviously that replacement of a broken window will be expensive - and might not be easy to find someone with the correct glass to make the repair.

[PawPaw_n_Gram]

Solid non-opening Window



Opening Emergency Exit



Emergency Exit Outside

[PawPaw_n_Gram]

Rear Frameless Windows on my TT



Outside with one section open



Closeup of window



Inside Closed



Inside Open

[45Ricochet]

Atom Ant wrote:
triple post

Ah come on, one more and you've hit for the cycle :B

[Atom_Ant]

PawPaw_n_Gram wrote:

Atom Ant wrote:
Just a note: I have not seen them in the side of the slides. I suspect they don't slide well through the slide seal. Ours has dual pane standard sliding windows in the sides of the slides.

I ask an Open Range rep at an RV show about that - the possibility of catching on the slide seal is a concern.

Another thing on the slide is they never install the crank out windows - only slide up and down windows. Because certainly someone will try to move the slide in with a crank out window open.

Check Sydney's Cedar Creek, it has the frameless windows on the side of the slides but they slide open (so technically I guess the bottom of the window has a frame that shows), but they look nice. I hadn't seen that before.

[PawPaw_n_Gram]

Atom Ant wrote:
Just a note: I have not seen them in the side of the slides. I suspect they don't slide well through the slide seal. Ours has dual pane standard sliding windows in the sides of the slides.

I ask an Open Range rep at an RV show about that - the possibility of catching on the slide seal is a concern.

Another thing on the slide is they never install the crank out windows - only slide up and down windows. Because certainly someone will try to move the slide in with a crank out window open.

[Atom_Ant]

sidney wrote:
The side slide windows are frame less as well and slide up to open.

Very cool, I just peeked at them on the web - had not seen that before.

[sidney]

We have frame less dual pane windows on our Cedar Creek. The side slide windows are frame less as well and slide up to open. The other windows open at the bottom by standard scissor mechanism.

Besides looking great... it's a lot easier to inspect the exterior seals and re-caulk to help maintain a leak free rig.

[jnharley]

We have the "frameless" windows and they are dual pane. We usually do not open our windows because of allergies. We do have 4 vent fans so we can ventilate that way.