Jul-26-2013 07:59 PM
Jul-29-2013 10:40 PM
Jul-28-2013 12:01 PM
Jul-28-2013 11:25 AM
Lantley wrote:
Boy do we get off track some time. After experiencing a blowout 2 days ago with my 2 year old OEM E rated Towmaster ST tires I am looking to buy new tires tomorrow.
For the record I had very little faith in the the tow masters from day one, but I figured I try to get a few miles out of them vs. getting new tires right away.
Luckily the blowout did not result in any damage to the 5'er.
My choices are the Sailun 637, GY14 or going to a 17.5 rim.
I've sort of shy'd away from the Duravis, or Michelin ribs, I want more capacity than a 3042 E rated tire. I agree that each tire carries a different weight. A 6000 pound axle does not equally place 3K on each tire.
I also think my blowout was caused by poor road conditions. You know the stretch of road that you feel every joint as you bounce and pound down the highway!
If I never encountered a that rough stretch of highway I do not think I would have had a blowout, but truth is poor roads are a fact of life. I ned a tire that can withstand the pounding of poor roads.
In the end I think 17.5 rims are the most foolproof approach, however the Sailun or GY should be adequate as well. What to do?
Price and availability maybe the deciding factor.
Actual purchase and use experience would be helpful vs. a lot of theoretical rhetoric.
Jul-28-2013 08:32 AM
Lantley wrote:
Boy do we get off track some time. After experiencing a blowout 2 days ago with my 2 year old OEM E rated Towmaster ST tires I am looking to buy new tires tomorrow.
For the record I had very little faith in the the tow masters from day one, but I figured I try to get a few miles out of them vs. getting new tires right away.
Luckily the blowout did not result in any damage to the 5'er.
My choices are the Sailun 637, GY14 or going to a 17.5 rim.
I've sort of shy'd away from the Duravis, or Michelin ribs, I want more capacity than a 3042 E rated tire. I agree that each tire carries a different weight. A 6000 pound axle does not equally place 3K on each tire.
I also think my blowout was caused by poor road conditions. You know the stretch of road that you feel every joint as you bounce and pound down the highway!
If I never encountered a that rough stretch of highway I do not think I would have had a blowout, but truth is poor roads are a fact of life. I ned a tire that can withstand the pounding of poor roads.
In the end I think 17.5 rims are the most foolproof approach, however the Sailun or GY should be adequate as well. What to do?
Price and availability maybe the deciding factor.
Actual purchase and use experience would be helpful vs. a lot of theoretical rhetoric.
Jul-28-2013 08:23 AM
NC Hauler wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:vwsportbug wrote:
For those of you who say that the original poster could run the G614's with 80 PSI, I expect that Goodyear's weight/vs pressure tables might bear that out but I prefer to carry higher PSI in my tires on a trailer with similar weights. I always run 105 PSI and can see no unusual wear after 3 years and 30,000 miles.
I know that under-inflation is one of the biggest problems with trailer tires but I've never seen any indication that over-inflation (as long as it is within the wheel/tire's capability) is an issue. Sure, the ride might be harsher but I don't see any evidence of that in my trailer's contents and doubt that 80 PSI vs 105 PSI would be noticeable at all in the trailer's ride quality.
I will err on the side of carrying too much PSI rather than too little....
The reason to run what the weight charts say is because in wet conditions you won't have as much stopping ability and the centers will wear pre maturely and the trailer won't track as well if over inflated. Per GY Tech Support.
When I went from E to G on my Avion I talked to GY Tech Support and they said to weigh each tire then use weight chart based on the heaviest tire then add 5psi.
Do what you want, but that is what GY Tech Support recommended. May be worth a call.
Who you going to believe, I've run 110 psi in my tires, PER GY Tech Support in the SNOW and in POURING rain...my tires have NEVER worn in the center,(and I really do know about some of the tire issues), and my traction and stopping were fine...with some common sense...didn't mean to tow in the snow, but got caught in several inches and towed almost 100 miles in it from Sevierville TN to ASheville NC, all mountains...don't really recommend it, but no center tire wear and no traction issues...
Seriously, how many people can find the time AND the resources to weigh EACH tire, look at a chart and "fill accordingly"? Seriously, without any hassle...I've followed the tire placards air pressure recommendations on my TT's, pop-up's a Hi-Lo and my 5er's since 75 and NEVER had a tire failure or premature wear of the tires. The one tire failure with the GY G614's, very well may have been caused by the weak sagging spring pack on that tires side axle....
ON EDIT: you KNOW "WE'RE" buddies, so none of this is written in spite, nor am I mad at anyone, but having worked with tire Engineers, and having spoken with Tire Engineers, (also the Service Rep from tech support who IS an engineer), sounds like THEY can't get THEIR stories straight...:h
So I will err to side of sound judgment and recommendations for my tires..it's worked for 38 years so far:)
Jul-28-2013 07:22 AM
Jul-28-2013 06:37 AM
Jul-28-2013 04:09 AM
Cummins12V98 wrote:vwsportbug wrote:
For those of you who say that the original poster could run the G614's with 80 PSI, I expect that Goodyear's weight/vs pressure tables might bear that out but I prefer to carry higher PSI in my tires on a trailer with similar weights. I always run 105 PSI and can see no unusual wear after 3 years and 30,000 miles.
I know that under-inflation is one of the biggest problems with trailer tires but I've never seen any indication that over-inflation (as long as it is within the wheel/tire's capability) is an issue. Sure, the ride might be harsher but I don't see any evidence of that in my trailer's contents and doubt that 80 PSI vs 105 PSI would be noticeable at all in the trailer's ride quality.
I will err on the side of carrying too much PSI rather than too little....
The reason to run what the weight charts say is because in wet conditions you won't have as much stopping ability and the centers will wear pre maturely and the trailer won't track as well if over inflated. Per GY Tech Support.
When I went from E to G on my Avion I talked to GY Tech Support and they said to weigh each tire then use weight chart based on the heaviest tire then add 5psi.
Do what you want, but that is what GY Tech Support recommended. May be worth a call.
Jul-28-2013 03:59 AM
Cummins12V98 wrote:NC Hauler wrote:JEBar wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
What were the approximate build dates of the tires that went bad? How many miles were on the tires when they blew?
As you said no way to tell what caused the tires to pop. So GY still stepped up and paid. No tire company will pay for road hazard but from the many posts that I have read and from personal conversations they still seem to pay when is is a vague situation.
sorry, I don't recall the build dates but when we buy tires I require them to have a build date that shows they are less than 6 months old .... miles is another thing, we are on the road for 6 - 7 months a year so I tend to believe we tow more miles than most .... we are from NC and spend the winter in Texas and the summer in SD .... as a pure guess I'd estimate abut 10,000 miles a year .... G614's run 110 psi (we actually keep the cold pressure of ours at 100 psi) and, at least for us, when they let go, they really let go .... the part that was still on the rim has been pretty well shredded .... I really don't believe that it would be possible to tell the cause from what is left .... with us they have paid 100% all three times
Jim
What is the GVW of your 5er? My 5er, a 39'6", 4 slide HR with a GVW of 16,950 came with the GY G614's..Manufacturer of my 5er recommended running tires at 110 psi, as did Good Year....I spoke with a Goodyear Rep at a Wingfoot about 2 weeks ago and again was told the same thing. I asked him about using the scales to take the weight of each tire and use weight tables and was told what I already knew. "IF" one wants to go through that, go ahead, but your covered, with no effect to the tire if you run at max sidewall pressure, less heat build up, best wear pattern, again, that was a GY rep. I've had my best wear and no heat issues running my tires with my 5er loaded to about 15,950# @ the recommended tire pressure of 110 psi...
You are probably close enough to your tires has weight to run 110# with no or little ill effect.
You will get a different story from GY Tcch Support than a Wingfoot rep. The Tech will tell you if your loaded weight is much under the max load for the tire it is advised to use the weight charts. Example going from an E to G tire. They will not contradict what the trailer mfg has for psi. The fact is most RV's need to be at max psi becaust the trailer mfg only supplies tires to just make the grade with none or very little cushion.
Jul-28-2013 12:07 AM
vwsportbug wrote:
For those of you who say that the original poster could run the G614's with 80 PSI, I expect that Goodyear's weight/vs pressure tables might bear that out but I prefer to carry higher PSI in my tires on a trailer with similar weights. I always run 105 PSI and can see no unusual wear after 3 years and 30,000 miles.
I know that under-inflation is one of the biggest problems with trailer tires but I've never seen any indication that over-inflation (as long as it is within the wheel/tire's capability) is an issue. Sure, the ride might be harsher but I don't see any evidence of that in my trailer's contents and doubt that 80 PSI vs 105 PSI would be noticeable at all in the trailer's ride quality.
I will err on the side of carrying too much PSI rather than too little....
Jul-27-2013 08:47 PM
vwsportbug wrote:
For those of you who say that the original poster could run the G614's with 80 PSI, I expect that Goodyear's weight/vs pressure tables might bear that out but I prefer to carry higher PSI in my tires on a trailer with similar weights. I always run 105 PSI and can see no unusual wear after 3 years and 30,000 miles.
I know that under-inflation is one of the biggest problems with trailer tires but I've never seen any indication that over-inflation (as long as it is within the wheel/tire's capability) is an issue. Sure, the ride might be harsher but I don't see any evidence of that in my trailer's contents and doubt that 80 PSI vs 105 PSI would be noticeable at all in the trailer's ride quality.
I will err on the side of carrying too much PSI rather than too little....
Jul-27-2013 08:40 PM
Brewurown wrote:fj12ryder wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
The GY G tires that came on our 07.5 Mobile Suites were made in early to mid 07. We never had a flat in 5 years and the spare never touched the ground. From what I have read the 07 and newer G tires have been very good. But the nay sayers will always say they have lots of problems and not mention that was 7 or more years ago. I put a set on our 02 Avion Platinum in early 07 and they looked great after 5 years when we traded for the MS.
C'mon, give it a rest. No one is badmouthing Goodyear's tires here, some of us just want to spend less money. So I don't really think I've seen any "naysayers" on this thread. Until now that is.
AMEN!!!
Jul-27-2013 07:52 PM
Jul-27-2013 07:47 PM
fj12ryder wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
The GY G tires that came on our 07.5 Mobile Suites were made in early to mid 07. We never had a flat in 5 years and the spare never touched the ground. From what I have read the 07 and newer G tires have been very good. But the nay sayers will always say they have lots of problems and not mention that was 7 or more years ago. I put a set on our 02 Avion Platinum in early 07 and they looked great after 5 years when we traded for the MS.
C'mon, give it a rest. No one is badmouthing Goodyear's tires here, some of us just want to spend less money. So I don't really think I've seen any "naysayers" on this thread. Until now that is.