Upgrading to disc brakes, have some questions.

[Arcamper]

Our new Montana stops fair I guess. Have not had to do a panic stop yet and hope I don't because I do not have a warm and fuzzy that the 1960's brake technology will work as expected with a 16,000lb trailer. It does have the Dexter Nev-R-Adjust system so they should be adjusting themselves as needed. Anyway I have made the decision to change over to disc brakes since Keystone has not decided to offer this as a factory option yet. They did finally offer LT tires which I got and that's a step in the right direction!
So here is my questions. Who in your opinion makes the best? Dexter, Kodiak, Titan or any other brand. Best price? What will work with my 2014 Ram controller? Right now I am leaning toward Kodiak with a Hydrastar actuator. E trailer seems to have a fair price. I plan on doing the work myself so I think for under $2k I should be able to do it right. Thoughts and comments please.

[LOFAT36]

routemaster wrote:
I thought I read somewhere the we can buy the bearing kit on Amazon is there a part # for the kit for the Kodiak discs?

Google etrailer Kodiak disc bearings & you will get the part #'s

[routemaster]

I thought I read somewhere the we can buy the bearing kit on Amazon is there a part # for the kit for the Kodiak discs?

[dapperdan]

me2 wrote:

laknox wrote:


Uh, Dan, most truckers I've talked to that have lost an air line, said that they stopped PDQ on level ground, that is, if their safety brakes were working properly. I've =seen= guys lose an air line and lock up all 8 wheels on their trailer, even with a max load, though it was at a fairly slow speed.

Lyle

Depends on how the trailer brakes are set up and which line you lose. There are 2 lines going from the truck to the trailer. A supply line and a control line.

Right on Me2!! I said I once lost my SERVICE line (control line), had I lost the supply line, yes my brakes would've locked up immediately.

Stopping 80,000 lbs with just the tractor brakes is way scary.

The point I was trying to make is that trailers carrying weight HAVE to have enough braking ability themselves to stop the weight they're carrying that's all. Relying on your tow vehicle to do most of the braking is not practical.

The OP would be very pleased having disc brakes installed on his RV.

Dan

[me2]

laknox wrote:


Uh, Dan, most truckers I've talked to that have lost an air line, said that they stopped PDQ on level ground, that is, if their safety brakes were working properly. I've =seen= guys lose an air line and lock up all 8 wheels on their trailer, even with a max load, though it was at a fairly slow speed.

Lyle

Depends on how the trailer brakes are set up and which line you lose. There are 2 lines going from the truck to the trailer. A supply line and a control line.

[C_Schomer]

My entry door is just ahead of the axles and the battery box is just ahead of the steps. I put the Carlisle under the steps so it's as close as possible for the brake lines and the electric. I've been pricing gooseneck car haulers and I can get discs... $2100 for 3- 7k axles. Craig

[laknox]

Arcamper wrote:

laknox wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Arcamper wrote:

ol Bombero-JC wrote:

Arcamper wrote:
Our new Montana stops fair I guess. Have not had to do a panic stop yet and hope I don't because I do not have a warm and fuzzy that the 1960's brake technology will work as expected with a 16,000lb trailer. It does have the Dexter Nev-R-Adjust system so they should be adjusting themselves as needed. Anyway I have made the decision to change over to disc brakes since Keystone has not decided to offer this as a factory option yet. They did finally offer LT tires which I got and that's a step in the right direction!
So here is my questions. Who in your opinion makes the best? Dexter, Kodiak, Titan or any other brand. Best price? What will work with my 2014 Ram controller? Right now I am leaning toward Kodiak with a Hydrastar actuator. E trailer seems to have a fair price. I plan on doing the work myself so I think for under $2k I should be able to do it right. Thoughts and comments please.

Sure got off topic, huh!

Maybe you will get some (more) worthwhile comparison info, rather than drivel about locomotives, etc...:R


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Yep it sure did! Oh well I have been on here long enough to know how it goes. Anyway I have ordered everything through E Trailer to do the conversion with Kodiak disc and a Hydrastar actuator. Will let everyone know once I get them on and tested.

You will wonder why the he!! you did not do it sooner!

And I keep wondering why the he!! the mfrs don't offer this as an option from the factory. Oh, well...

Lyle

Excellent point. Keystone finally started to offer G rated LT tires on the Montana so why not disc brakes also. They have the Mor/Ryde 4100 suspension and pin box and Goodyear 614"s. Disc brakes would be the last step in a well set up rig. I know some people are willing to pay to have it right from the start. I would.

MY POINT, EXACTLY!!! The mfrs are losing a profit center by not offering things like this, IMO.

Lyle

[laknox]

dapperdan wrote:

me2 wrote:

YZ wrote:
Or I could be towing a trailer under 10K with a 2500 or 3500.. the issue is the same... if your trailer is pushing your TV around, then you don't have enough TV.. tell yourself anything you want...

folks think that as long as a truck can pull a trailer then all is cool,..the brakes on a trailer should be able to handle the trailer....

it is all a circle..

No it isn't. I'm pulling a 14K trailer with a SRW F350 truck. Works excellent. Just like a 20K highway tractor can pull a 100,000 pound B train. What do you think stops the second trailer ? The truck ?

Do you understand what causes a jacknife when braking with a trailer ? Too much braking on the tow vehicle relative to the trailer.

TRAILERS MUST BE ABLE TO STOP THEMSELVES !

Do you think the locomotive stops the train ? Not even close.

Me2 has this EXACTLY right!! I have driven truck most of my life, it takes GOOD brakes on a trailer to stop the rig! I have had the service air line come off the trailer and let me tell you the tractor won't even come close to stopping the rig!

Next time you're in a truck stop ask a driver if his tractor brakes will stop his entire rig, see what he says.

Oh and by the way most all the semi trucks you see going down the highway today have DRUM brakes on those trailers!! Some models of tractors actually DO have disk brakes.

After owning two trailers with drum brakes and now owing one with disk brakes, I'll never own another trailer with drum brakes either! I think OP has enough info from his posting now to make an accurate decision.

Dan

Uh, Dan, most truckers I've talked to that have lost an air line, said that they stopped PDQ on level ground, that is, if their safety brakes were working properly. I've =seen= guys lose an air line and lock up all 8 wheels on their trailer, even with a max load, though it was at a fairly slow speed.

Lyle

[GCasta]

Bob Vaughn wrote:
Some where I saw a photo of a disc brake install where the hydrostar actuator was placed in the battery compartment next to the slide pump. Of a Heartland Big Horn I think.....For the life of me I cannot find it....I guess old age is catching up to me....the guy made a bracket to sit the actuator on...

I think the this might be the vdeo you were talking about
Disc conversion video

[Bob_Vaughn]

Some where I saw a photo of a disc brake install where the hydrostar actuator was placed in the battery compartment next to the slide pump. Of a Heartland Big Horn I think.....For the life of me I cannot find it....I guess old age is catching up to me....the guy made a bracket to sit the actuator on...

[Arcamper]

laknox wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Arcamper wrote:

ol Bombero-JC wrote:

Arcamper wrote:
Our new Montana stops fair I guess. Have not had to do a panic stop yet and hope I don't because I do not have a warm and fuzzy that the 1960's brake technology will work as expected with a 16,000lb trailer. It does have the Dexter Nev-R-Adjust system so they should be adjusting themselves as needed. Anyway I have made the decision to change over to disc brakes since Keystone has not decided to offer this as a factory option yet. They did finally offer LT tires which I got and that's a step in the right direction!
So here is my questions. Who in your opinion makes the best? Dexter, Kodiak, Titan or any other brand. Best price? What will work with my 2014 Ram controller? Right now I am leaning toward Kodiak with a Hydrastar actuator. E trailer seems to have a fair price. I plan on doing the work myself so I think for under $2k I should be able to do it right. Thoughts and comments please.

Sure got off topic, huh!

Maybe you will get some (more) worthwhile comparison info, rather than drivel about locomotives, etc...:R


~

Yep it sure did! Oh well I have been on here long enough to know how it goes. Anyway I have ordered everything through E Trailer to do the conversion with Kodiak disc and a Hydrastar actuator. Will let everyone know once I get them on and tested.

You will wonder why the he!! you did not do it sooner!

And I keep wondering why the he!! the mfrs don't offer this as an option from the factory. Oh, well...

Lyle

Excellent point. Keystone finally started to offer G rated LT tires on the Montana so why not disc brakes also. They have the Mor/Ryde 4100 suspension and pin box and Goodyear 614"s. Disc brakes would be the last step in a well set up rig. I know some people are willing to pay to have it right from the start. I would.

[laknox]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Arcamper wrote:

ol Bombero-JC wrote:

Arcamper wrote:
Our new Montana stops fair I guess. Have not had to do a panic stop yet and hope I don't because I do not have a warm and fuzzy that the 1960's brake technology will work as expected with a 16,000lb trailer. It does have the Dexter Nev-R-Adjust system so they should be adjusting themselves as needed. Anyway I have made the decision to change over to disc brakes since Keystone has not decided to offer this as a factory option yet. They did finally offer LT tires which I got and that's a step in the right direction!
So here is my questions. Who in your opinion makes the best? Dexter, Kodiak, Titan or any other brand. Best price? What will work with my 2014 Ram controller? Right now I am leaning toward Kodiak with a Hydrastar actuator. E trailer seems to have a fair price. I plan on doing the work myself so I think for under $2k I should be able to do it right. Thoughts and comments please.

Sure got off topic, huh!

Maybe you will get some (more) worthwhile comparison info, rather than drivel about locomotives, etc...:R


~

Yep it sure did! Oh well I have been on here long enough to know how it goes. Anyway I have ordered everything through E Trailer to do the conversion with Kodiak disc and a Hydrastar actuator. Will let everyone know once I get them on and tested.

You will wonder why the he!! you did not do it sooner!

And I keep wondering why the he!! the mfrs don't offer this as an option from the factory. Oh, well...

Lyle

[Cummins12V98]

Arcamper wrote:

ol Bombero-JC wrote:

Arcamper wrote:
Our new Montana stops fair I guess. Have not had to do a panic stop yet and hope I don't because I do not have a warm and fuzzy that the 1960's brake technology will work as expected with a 16,000lb trailer. It does have the Dexter Nev-R-Adjust system so they should be adjusting themselves as needed. Anyway I have made the decision to change over to disc brakes since Keystone has not decided to offer this as a factory option yet. They did finally offer LT tires which I got and that's a step in the right direction!
So here is my questions. Who in your opinion makes the best? Dexter, Kodiak, Titan or any other brand. Best price? What will work with my 2014 Ram controller? Right now I am leaning toward Kodiak with a Hydrastar actuator. E trailer seems to have a fair price. I plan on doing the work myself so I think for under $2k I should be able to do it right. Thoughts and comments please.

Sure got off topic, huh!

Maybe you will get some (more) worthwhile comparison info, rather than drivel about locomotives, etc...:R


~

Yep it sure did! Oh well I have been on here long enough to know how it goes. Anyway I have ordered everything through E Trailer to do the conversion with Kodiak disc and a Hydrastar actuator. Will let everyone know once I get them on and tested.

You will wonder why the he!! you did not do it sooner!

[Arcamper]

ol Bombero-JC wrote:

Arcamper wrote:
Our new Montana stops fair I guess. Have not had to do a panic stop yet and hope I don't because I do not have a warm and fuzzy that the 1960's brake technology will work as expected with a 16,000lb trailer. It does have the Dexter Nev-R-Adjust system so they should be adjusting themselves as needed. Anyway I have made the decision to change over to disc brakes since Keystone has not decided to offer this as a factory option yet. They did finally offer LT tires which I got and that's a step in the right direction!
So here is my questions. Who in your opinion makes the best? Dexter, Kodiak, Titan or any other brand. Best price? What will work with my 2014 Ram controller? Right now I am leaning toward Kodiak with a Hydrastar actuator. E trailer seems to have a fair price. I plan on doing the work myself so I think for under $2k I should be able to do it right. Thoughts and comments please.

Sure got off topic, huh!

Maybe you will get some (more) worthwhile comparison info, rather than drivel about locomotives, etc...:R


~

Yep it sure did! Oh well I have been on here long enough to know how it goes. Anyway I have ordered everything through E Trailer to do the conversion with Kodiak disc and a Hydrastar actuator. Will let everyone know once I get them on and tested.

[C_Schomer]

I used a hose from each caliper to the 5er frame and then steel tubing all the way to the actuator. Craig