Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[DW-gray]

BarryTorm wrote:
HELP! We are heading West from Florida to Washington state for work. I have a 2013 F150 SuperCab v8 5.0 with 355 ratio re. The Ford service department gave me the towing capacity of 9600 lbs with 13800 gcwr. I am not sure where you all find all the numbers listed in posts.
We have been looking at the 5th wheel 1/2 ton towables, Jayco 27.5 RLTS and Grand Design Reflection 29rs. Both are dry weight 8000lbs. Naturally the dealers are telling me my truck can pull them both with no issues. So I come to you guys to help a newbie out. I can not get a bigger truck at this time so I have to find a trailer I can tow across the country and possibly live in for a year so comfort is a big concern. To get the same floor plan in a TT they are coming in around 34' which to me is a bit longer then I would want.

I know this is a topic over killed but I am not sure how to find all the proper ratings.

Stop! Those dealers don't know jack. There are 12 different styles of the F150 and there is only one the may be able to tow a 5th wheel. Since yours has only a 3:55 ratio, I'm certain it's not 5th wheel capable. But to prove it for yourself, consider using RV Tow Check to find out what the realistic vehicle towing capacity is.

[BarryTorm]

HELP! We are heading West from Florida to Washington state for work. I have a 2013 F150 SuperCab v8 5.0 with 355 ratio re. The Ford service department gave me the towing capacity of 9600 lbs with 13800 gcwr. I am not sure where you all find all the numbers listed in posts.
We have been looking at the 5th wheel 1/2 ton towables, Jayco 27.5 RLTS and Grand Design Reflection 29rs. Both are dry weight 8000lbs. Naturally the dealers are telling me my truck can pull them both with no issues. So I come to you guys to help a newbie out. I can not get a bigger truck at this time so I have to find a trailer I can tow across the country and possibly live in for a year so comfort is a big concern. To get the same floor plan in a TT they are coming in around 34' which to me is a bit longer then I would want.

I know this is a topic over killed but I am not sure how to find all the proper ratings.

[djgodden]

TV: 2012 Ram Laramie Longhorn Crewcab 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel (ETJ) w/ Edge Insight CTS.
Looking to CAT scale the rig this coming week.
Trans: 68RFE 6 Spd (DG7)
Diff: 3.74
GVWR: 9600
Payload: 2170
Curb Weight: 7429
Front Axle: 4554
Rear Axle: 2875
GAWR Front: 5500
GAWR Rear: 6010
GCWR 20k
Max Trailer:12400

[cdlaine]

After reading these posts I thought I'd reanalyze
my most recent Cat scale data... (see sig.) they have
remained consistent for the past 4 years... so ,unlike
me, not much weight creep.:o

Here are the take home lessons (as expected):

290 #'s under F GAWR
264 #'s under R GAWR
840 #'s over GVWR (truck)
1680 #'s under GVWR (5ver = 14,300 per NW)
2120 #'s under GCWR (truck + 5ver = 22,000 per GM).
Pin @ 21.3 %

so, no surprises. Tows well. Stops well. Handles grades well.
I do not haul water. (IMO) I believe the 5ver is under axle'ed (6000 lbs.)
(Northwood has since moved to 7K) , and under tire'ed. (e-rated). I'm that
guy that sets cruise control at 55 and stays there...
unless feeling really racey and move to 57 mph.:C

Truck left pretty much stock, exceptions: K&N filter, Air bags, Transfer
flow mid-ship replacement tank. Hope to get 20 years
out of the Chevy... sitting on 13 now. Not much I'd change.

Charles

[KeithAS]

2010 Dodge 3500, SRW, 4X4, Crew Cab, Pullrite Superglide 16K
2016 Grand Design 303 RLS



Truck: GAWR Front-5,500 lbs.; GAWR Rear-6,200 lbs.; GVWR 10,100 lbs.; GCWR-21,000 lbs.
Truck, passengers, hitch, full fuel: Front Axle-4,840 lbs.; Rear Axle-3,180 lbs.

Truck and 5th Wheel less than half fuel, all tanks on fiver-1/2 indicated: Front Axle-4,920 lbs.; Rear Axle-5,660 lbs.; Gross Combined Weight-19.280 lbs.

Edit as a response to cdlaine's post below mine, and how he hopes to get 20 years out of his 13 year old truck. My (almost) 6 year old truck has 10,200 miles, so I will be on his tail (maybe a few years behind).

[GA2500HD]

2003 GMC 2500HD crew cab 4x4 6.0L
2014 Rockwood Ultra Lite 8281WS

Truck rating:
Front axle: 4670
Rear axle: 6084
GVWR: 9200

Weighed at Pilot truck stop on CAT scales

Truck full of gas, Me, the wife, 2 kids
Front axle: 3600
Rear axle: 3260
Total: 6660

Truck and Fifth Wheel ready to camp with 1/3 tank fresh water
Front axle: 3660
Rear axle: 5200
Fifth wheel: 7040
Total GCW: 15,900

[KTM640]

13000 + 16000 + 4800 = 33800

[Community Alumni]

Finally got on the scale and here is what I have.
Fully loaded ready to travel full tank, wife and two dogs.

TV front axle GAWR=4750 actuals without trailer and with 4160/4180
TV rear axle GAWR=6000 actuals without trailer and with 3160/5860
TV GVWR = 9000 actual without trailer and with trailer 7320/10040
CGWR = 20000 actual 18920
Kingpin weight 23% 2720
Trailer axle weight 11600

Vehicle is 2004 Dodge 2500 CTD 5.9 RWD 3.73 gears with Firestone ride rite airbags. B&W Companion slider.
Over on GVWR by 1040. Under on individual axles and CGWR.
Trailer pulls like a dream.

[avvidclif1]

PhoneDude 8289 wrote:
15,080 at the cat scales truck and rv ready to travel. Truck is 6,150 full of fuel with wife, myself and a 50# dog.

Doesn't tell much without the truck type and RV model listed.
Year, make, model, gas or diesel, SRW DRW.
Year, make, model on RV

[PhoneDude_8289]

15,080 at the cat scales truck and rv ready to travel. Truck is 6,150 full of fuel with wife, myself and a 50# dog.

[way2nutz]

Done today CAT.

2015 Silverado D/A 3500 CC 8' box
GVWR 11,600 GAWR/Frt 5600 GAWR/Rr 7050

2007 Wildcat 29RK

Driver/Psgr,tools,fuel,hitch

Steer: 4900
Axle: 3640
Total: 8540

With fully loaded 5th Wheel attached

Steer: 5100
Axle: 5600
5th : 9400
Total: 20,100


Puts pinweight at 2160

[rhagfo]

Garyl53 wrote:
F250 6.7L PSD 4X4 Lariat - Full tank, Husky 16k W hitch, me:
Steer Axle - 4720
Drive Axle - 3300
Total - 8020

With 2007 Keystone Challenger 29RKP under tow:
Steer Axle - 4740
Drive Axle - 5980 (vehicle total=10720)
Trailer Axles - 7780
Total - 18500

Trailer:
Pin Weight - 2680
Axle Weight - 7780
Total - 10460

About 700 over published tow vehicle GVWR (10000) but...
1320 under tow vehicle axle ratings (FGAWR=5940 + RGAWR=6100 = 12040)and...
5000 under tow vehicle GCWR.


Chucking like hell and still haven't figured it out:( Hitch is tight and moves only 1/8" when locked onto king pin. Maybe pin weight is too heavy at 25.6%? Seams unlikely but I will try to shift some things to the back (or unload the garage) just to see if it helps.

Simple fixes for chucking!

#1. Very good shocks on the TV, we run Bilstein 5100's

#2. Get the 5er as level as possible.

#3. Put shocks on the 5er, if you question this watch it in the mirrors next time you hit a bridge transition.

I doubt if pin is too heavy, a bit on the high side, but I run with my fresh water tank full, as it is just forward of the axles, helps smooth the ride some.

[Dankenbring]

If you can shift weight to the trailer,axles. I think things will be better for truck. Won't get the bounce going down the road.

[Garyl53]

F250 6.7L PSD 4X4 Lariat - Full tank, Husky 16k W hitch, me:
Steer Axle - 4720
Drive Axle - 3300
Total - 8020

With 2007 Keystone Challenger 29RKP under tow:
Steer Axle - 4740
Drive Axle - 5980 (vehicle total=10720)
Trailer Axles - 7780
Total - 18500

Trailer:
Pin Weight - 2680
Axle Weight - 7780
Total - 10460

About 700 over published tow vehicle GVWR (10000) but...
1320 under tow vehicle axle ratings (FGAWR=5940 + RGAWR=6100 = 12040)and...
5000 under tow vehicle GCWR.


Chucking like hell and still haven't figured it out:( Hitch is tight and moves only 1/8" when locked onto king pin. Maybe pin weight is too heavy at 25.6%? Seams unlikely but I will try to shift some things to the back (or unload the garage) just to see if it helps.

[Dankenbring]

Rvdreamer, we did that. We had a 04 f350 with 6.0 diesel. It was rated 20K gcw. Went to scales fully loaded. We weighed 19860. Went on several trips BUT it told us it was maxed out by the way it pulled on the flats. Told unhappy wife. No foothills or mountains until we get a larger truck.
We got in May a 6.7 ford f350 with max tow pkg. We went thru mountains and didn't hardly notice them other than the view.
This was my experience with maxing out.