Being pulled over by LEO

[et2]

Never have been, and don't plan to be. Very curious as to the actual procedure if it happened. Now I'm sure the officer would come to the side door ( by passenger up front on our DP).

So should I get up and open the door and step out to meet them, or allow the wife to unlock the door. If you allow them to step inside or you open the door to them have you given up your right to being searched as we invited them in? Or let's say they climb the step and sorta put a arm inside on the dash. Just wondering what the legal ramifications would be. Personally our dogs wouldn't take kindly to their entrance.

If anyone has had this happen what has it gone like? I as many others believe in protecting our rights. Just curious if making them stand outside raises flags on their end. I certainly wouldn't invite them to sit in my car if that were the case.

Just pass the info needed out the screen door opening?
Might be a silly post. Just has me wondering what most people would do

[skrams]

Well said Naio.

[Terryallan]

gemert wrote:
I have this privilege, too. I think it's because I am white and more or less middle class. Being female, helps, too.

Very sad for me to read this!

Agree. seems brainwashing is pretty simple today

[gemert]

Naio wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

Naio wrote:

bigdog2 wrote:
I have never felt 'threatened' when the blue lights flash behind me....I expect the officer to be courteous and professional. They always are. I feel much safer stopped on the highway with an officer present than not.

I have this privilege, too. I think it's because I am white and more or less middle class. Being female, helps, too.

All the stuff in the news this past year sure has clued me in that it IS a privilege, though, and one that many polite, law-abiding, mild-mannered Americans do not have.

No. It is because you are a law abiding citizen. Has nothing to do with being white, female or any other color. IF you treat the LEO with respect, Do what he / she says. They will have no reason to treat you any other way.
The stuff you have seen on the news happened because the person was rude, disrespectful, and fought the officers. Bottom line. LEO is NOT going Blue light you, walk up to the vehicle and shoot you for no reason.
Never take the news today for truth. They have their agenda, and they twist the news to reflect their opinion to get you to believe the way they do. Want proof. Ask Brian Williams how many times he was really shot down. and if he says any more than none. It's a lie.

Did you see that video of the kid (I think he was 12 years old) who was playing by himself in the park with a toy gun? Officers pulled up and shot him instantly. No time for him to give them any lip even if he wanted to (and he looked like a shy and geeky kid). It was all on the security camera.

If you point a gun at me, I will shoot you. I will also get really pissed off at you if I find out I killed some idiot pointing a toy at me. The reality is that you can not tell just from looking at one, in a stressful situation, that they are a toy. Have you seen the cell phone cover that looks like a gun? Point one at a cop and you will get shot. Then the cops will have to live with it for the rest of their life. Just great!!!

[gemert]

I have this privilege, too. I think it's because I am white and more or less middle class. Being female, helps, too.

Very sad for me to read this!

[ljr869]

"When a motorhome is in a campsite set up for camping, it is a house. Same rules apply as apply to a house and that means a warrant is usually required except under certain conditions."

Well, that depends what you mean by "set up for camping." Just sitting in a campsite doesn't make it a domicile. It has to be hooked up in some way (water, elec, or sewer) to be considered a domicile and to avoid the motor vehicle exemption.

From Wikipedia:
The motor vehicle exception was first established by the United States Supreme Court in 1925, in Carroll v. United States. The motor vehicle exception allows an officer to search a vehicle without a search warrant as long as he or she has probable cause to believe that evidence or contraband is located in the vehicle. The exception is based on the idea that there is a lower expectation of privacy in motor vehicles due to the regulations under which they operate. Additionally, the ease of mobility creates an inherent exigency to prevent the removal of evidence and contraband. In Pennsylvania v. Labron the U.S. Supreme Court, stated, “If a car is readily mobile and probable cause exists to believe it contains contraband, the Fourth Amendment permits the police to search the vehicle without more.”

[Naio]

Terryallan wrote:

Naio wrote:

bigdog2 wrote:
I have never felt 'threatened' when the blue lights flash behind me....I expect the officer to be courteous and professional. They always are. I feel much safer stopped on the highway with an officer present than not.

I have this privilege, too. I think it's because I am white and more or less middle class. Being female, helps, too.

All the stuff in the news this past year sure has clued me in that it IS a privilege, though, and one that many polite, law-abiding, mild-mannered Americans do not have.

No. It is because you are a law abiding citizen. Has nothing to do with being white, female or any other color. IF you treat the LEO with respect, Do what he / she says. They will have no reason to treat you any other way.
The stuff you have seen on the news happened because the person was rude, disrespectful, and fought the officers. Bottom line. LEO is NOT going Blue light you, walk up to the vehicle and shoot you for no reason.
Never take the news today for truth. They have their agenda, and they twist the news to reflect their opinion to get you to believe the way they do. Want proof. Ask Brian Williams how many times he was really shot down. and if he says any more than none. It's a lie.

Did you see that video of the kid (I think he was 12 years old) who was playing by himself in the park with a toy gun? Officers pulled up and shot him instantly. No time for him to give them any lip even if he wanted to (and he looked like a shy and geeky kid). It was all on the security camera.

[Terryallan]

Naio wrote:

bigdog2 wrote:
I have never felt 'threatened' when the blue lights flash behind me....I expect the officer to be courteous and professional. They always are. I feel much safer stopped on the highway with an officer present than not.

I have this privilege, too. I think it's because I am white and more or less middle class. Being female, helps, too.

All the stuff in the news this past year sure has clued me in that it IS a privilege, though, and one that many polite, law-abiding, mild-mannered Americans do not have.

No. It is because you are a law abiding citizen. Has nothing to do with being white, female or any other color. IF you treat the LEO with respect, Do what he / she says. They will have no reason to treat you any other way.
The stuff you have seen on the news happened because the person was rude, disrespectful, and fought the officers. Bottom line. LEO is NOT going Blue light you, walk up to the vehicle and shoot you for no reason.
Never take the news today for truth. They have their agenda, and they twist the news to reflect their opinion to get you to believe the way they do. Want proof. Ask Brian Williams how many times he was really shot down. and if he says any more than none. It's a lie.

[msmith1199]

JimM68 wrote:

bigred1cav wrote:
go ahead try exercising what you think your rights are under that decision. If the officer stopped you he/she had probable cause to stop you. May have been something as minor as crossing a center line or wandering off the side of roadway. Give him/her a ration of feces and see how fast your anal orifice is behind the cage and on your way to jail. Your MH will also go to jail where it will be searched and inventoried to the inth degree. The lawyers in our presence give bad advice on the web.

Run your mouth go to jail.

msmith1199 wrote:

04fxsts wrote:
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus
RODRIGUEZ v. UNITED STATES
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE EIGHTH CIRCUIT
No. 13–9972. Argued January 21, 2015—Decided April 21, 2015

I bring this up because a couple posts talked about an officer wanting to search your MH. An officer must have probable cause to search without permission, without this permission anything found is inadmissible in court. Refusing permission to search is not probable cause.
The recent USSC case I referenced actually pertains to an officer forcing a driver to wait while a "drug dog" is brought in to sniff for drugs. Rodriguez was stopped for a traffic offence but let off with a warning but forced to wait for a "drug dog" that alerted on the vehicle. Yes, drugs were found but the USSC ruled the offender should have been allowed to go as soon as the reason for the original stop was resolved. Jim.

And nobody said anything different if you were referring to me.

Hard to imagine I got through 5 pages of this surprisingly civil thread.

I take great exception to the comment "run your mouth, go to jail"

Running my mouth is a constitutional right. Along with freedom from unreasonable searches and of course the 2nd amendment.

And no, no LEO will be entering my coach without towing it to a yard, arresting me, and coming up with a search warrant, or probable cause that a specific crime has been commited. It's just not going to happen.

Do RVers ever actually get pulled over?
I never have. Hope I never do.

I agree with you about that comment. I don't agree with you about your view of searching the motorhome. Hopefully it will never happen to you, but if I did I was suggest you verbally protest the search and take no other action as you would lose that battle. There is already case law that says a MH is a vehicle when on the road. That means it is searchable just like a vehicle and that means a warrant is almost never required, just probable cause.

[JimM68]

bigred1cav wrote:
go ahead try exercising what you think your rights are under that decision. If the officer stopped you he/she had probable cause to stop you. May have been something as minor as crossing a center line or wandering off the side of roadway. Give him/her a ration of feces and see how fast your anal orifice is behind the cage and on your way to jail. Your MH will also go to jail where it will be searched and inventoried to the inth degree. The lawyers in our presence give bad advice on the web.

Run your mouth go to jail.

msmith1199 wrote:

04fxsts wrote:
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus
RODRIGUEZ v. UNITED STATES
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE EIGHTH CIRCUIT
No. 13–9972. Argued January 21, 2015—Decided April 21, 2015

I bring this up because a couple posts talked about an officer wanting to search your MH. An officer must have probable cause to search without permission, without this permission anything found is inadmissible in court. Refusing permission to search is not probable cause.
The recent USSC case I referenced actually pertains to an officer forcing a driver to wait while a "drug dog" is brought in to sniff for drugs. Rodriguez was stopped for a traffic offence but let off with a warning but forced to wait for a "drug dog" that alerted on the vehicle. Yes, drugs were found but the USSC ruled the offender should have been allowed to go as soon as the reason for the original stop was resolved. Jim.

And nobody said anything different if you were referring to me.

Hard to imagine I got through 5 pages of this surprisingly civil thread.

I take great exception to the comment "run your mouth, go to jail"

Running my mouth is a constitutional right. Along with freedom from unreasonable searches and of course the 2nd amendment.

And no, no LEO will be entering my coach without towing it to a yard, arresting me, and coming up with a search warrant, or probable cause that a specific crime has been commited. It's just not going to happen.

Do RVers ever actually get pulled over?
I never have. Hope I never do.

[Mr_Mark1]

I remember once when I was pulled over (25+) years ago, I was starting to get out of the car and the LEO told me to stay in the car. No ticket as I remember as the last time I got a speeding ticket was in 1985.

So, I think the best thing to do is to stay seated and wait for instructions.

The LEO's have a tough job. People just aren't respectful like they used to be. We always said 'yes sir/ no sir', etc., to adults. These days, you just don't know what is going on in someone's head.

MM.

[gemert]

Terryallan wrote:

gemert wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

gemert wrote:
A lot of LEOs will not like you carrying concealed when you approach including me. I would hope that you would leave it in the coach .

Have a quest. IF I leave it in the coach, or truck. And DW does NOT have a Concealed Carry permit. Would that not create a problem for her? She would be then the one responsible for the gun. Would that make her carrying illegal?

Just want to know

If she were to conceal it on her person then technically she would be in violation. For someone who does not have a CCW, the law is (paraphrased): in a vehicle, it must be securely encased and not available for immediate use. In my opinion (disclaimer)securely encased could be in a glove box, in a holster with a snap. The law is clear but still leaves some room for good judgement. So if you left it in the RV, in a drawer in a snapped holster you would be ok. There is nothing wrong with keeping it on your person but most officers will want it under their control while they are talking to you. When it's in my control, it's only natural for me to run the numbers to make sure it's not stolen. Why bring all those variables into play. If it's not on your person you don't have to tell the LEO it's in the RV. Some States will list it with your DL info so we will know anyway. I may ask if you are armed so be truthful and say no. That is being honest and truthful. Why introduce variables? I hope I answered your question.

msgtord, As well.


Thank you for your answeres. Just was wondering. In NC we have Open Carry, (Need no Permit) and CC. I have a permit, She does not. However, as we travel to SC a lot, and while they recognize NCs CC, they at this point do not have open carry. It is coming. I was just wondering. In NC the LEOS do know by our tag if we have CC, and we are required to tell them if we are carrying or not, and show the card. I have -O- problem with that.

Also. As to running the gun's numbers. One or two of them are not registered in any way, as they were passed down to me. So they won't show up as stolen, But they won't show us as anything else either. And don't have to.
The other ones are not registered other than the paperwork required when being bought over the counter.

Thank you

As far as I know, and I believe it to be true Nationwide, an LEO can not check ownership of a firearms. The NRA would go nuts, and rightfully so, if some entity was to require registration. We can run the numbers to see if they come back stolen. So there is nothing for you to worry about as long as they are not stolen.

[doc_brown]

I was pulled over(and ticketed)three years ago in California. I pulled over to the shoulder and sat in my seat until the officer was in sight through my passenger window. He waved me out. I exited with all the necessary papers in hand. He explained why he pulled me over, gave me the ticket, explained my options, answered my questions. Very polite Highway Patrol Officer. The process was quick. He never got closer than 15 feet to the MH.

[Terryallan]

gemert wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

gemert wrote:
A lot of LEOs will not like you carrying concealed when you approach including me. I would hope that you would leave it in the coach .

Have a quest. IF I leave it in the coach, or truck. And DW does NOT have a Concealed Carry permit. Would that not create a problem for her? She would be then the one responsible for the gun. Would that make her carrying illegal?

Just want to know

If she were to conceal it on her person then technically she would be in violation. For someone who does not have a CCW, the law is (paraphrased): in a vehicle, it must be securely encased and not available for immediate use. In my opinion (disclaimer)securely encased could be in a glove box, in a holster with a snap. The law is clear but still leaves some room for good judgement. So if you left it in the RV, in a drawer in a snapped holster you would be ok. There is nothing wrong with keeping it on your person but most officers will want it under their control while they are talking to you. When it's in my control, it's only natural for me to run the numbers to make sure it's not stolen. Why bring all those variables into play. If it's not on your person you don't have to tell the LEO it's in the RV. Some States will list it with your DL info so we will know anyway. I may ask if you are armed so be truthful and say no. That is being honest and truthful. Why introduce variables? I hope I answered your question.

msgtord, As well.


Thank you for your answeres. Just was wondering. In NC we have Open Carry, (Need no Permit) and CC. I have a permit, She does not. However, as we travel to SC a lot, and while they recognize NCs CC, they at this point do not have open carry. It is coming. I was just wondering. In NC the LEOS do know by our tag if we have CC, and we are required to tell them if we are carrying or not, and show the card. I have -O- problem with that.

Also. As to running the gun's numbers. One or two of them are not registered in any way, as they were passed down to me. So they won't show up as stolen, But they won't show us as anything else either. And don't have to.
The other ones are not registered other than the paperwork required when being bought over the counter.

Thank you

[msmith1199]

frankdamp wrote:
One advantage of being an alien resident in the US, as far as I'm concerned, is that I can't own firearms. Never wanted to, can't see any good reason for carrying a device that would enable me to end another person's life. Maybe that's a throwback to being British, where, in general when we lived there, the only guns that could be privately owned were shotguns owned by farmers.

I'm aware that a lot of NRA members would think I'm a Commie-loving wimp, but that's my opinion, and I don'r give a rat's what those loonies think.

The only reason I carry a firearm (I'm a retired cop so I can) is to defend my life, the life of a family member, or the life of an innocent victim. If you would rather submit to the demands of some loonie, that's your right. As for me, if I'm going to get killed, at least I'll go out fighting.

[jplante4]

bigdog2 wrote:
I am really surprised at how this thread is going.

I am as well. I remember a similar thread over on iRV2 and it wasn't nearly as civil. I guess there are a lot of libertarians over there.