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Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
While researching these pages for my next Motor Home I saw a few threads discussing Rentals, most were Pros and Cons but very few posts from people who had purchased one.

I thought it may be a good resource and helpful to hear from these people. The good, the bad, what they liked and what they didnโ€™t. Also if they had any problems, things they changed, if they would recommend this to others or do it again.

Here is my story: I am not a novice, having owned a Class A for more than 15 years and doing the camping thing with my wife and two daughters, I can say โ€œbeen there done thatโ€ But life changes, and I sold everything so I have been away from this for several years. Starting over I lurked here for a while and got a lot of good insight then went looking.

My criteria was: A Class C within by budget, less than 30 feet so I can keep it at home, saving storage $, a rear bed, and a lot of storage space.

What fit that was Winnebago, Fleetwood and a few others, what I found mostly was Jamboree / Tioga 26Q. In the year models 2002 thru 2006. I did my home work looking at NADA and other sites to find the fair prices for the models that I was looking for.

After several months of searching the internet, Craigslist, private ads and Dealerships for a Class C that suited my budget and needs, this is what I found. Of the dozen or so I inquired about.Most were upsidedown in their payments, owing more than they were worth. All were on Ford Chassis, 7 needed tires, all had the original 7 to 10 year old tires, and they all needed repair of the awning and most needed some work inside or out and the maintenance records were sketchy, but most had low mileage. The Dealerships offerings were better but they had a profit margin to maintain so I got older models within my budget or huge up sales that didnโ€™t work for me.

My next step was looking at the rental market for sales. In my area there are 2 large companies that have rental sales, Cruise America and El Monte RV,who also sell Class A RVs.

First up was El Monte RV Their units are production RVs that are made by major manufactures, with TV antennas and hookups inside and out, Ducted A/C and heat, 2 house batteries, a rear ladder and parts are readily available from those manufactureโ€™s. I looked at their web site and it detailed their warranty and what was checked and serviced by their factory trained technicians. The unit I looked at was like new inside, the upholstery on all the seats was new as was the floor mat in the driverโ€™s area, it had a new mattress, still in plastic and a new bedspread. All of the curtains were new also. Newer (2010 mfg date) tires with 98% rubber and the mileage was ninety thousand (90,000).

Then there was Cruise America: Their units that I looked at seemed to be Spartan,no TV antenna or hookups for one,non-ducted A/C,small counter space and only one battery, no rear ladder for inspection and maintenance of roof and built just for them, they were all โ€œrefreshedโ€ their words not mine. They offered extended warranties at a huge cost. All had high mileage, one hundred and thirty thousand (130,000) or more and the price range seemed a little high. The sales staff had a take it or leave it attitude and were not very forthcoming when asked about maintenance records and service,they claim to have proprietary info in those records,It doesn't seem to be a problem for El Monte RV.

At El Monte RV I took a test ride; This Unit was a 2006 Tioga 26Q on a Chevrolet Chassis it rode
Drove and handled much better than the Fords that I had driven. It also had more leg room and was quieter. We got back and I asked about the service and maintenance on it, the salesman, Joey, handed me a 28 page single spaced document asked if I wanted some coffee or something to drink and said โ€œread this and if you have any questions I will answer themโ€.

It detailed everything that was done before and after each rental, the mileage, generator hours and hours billed. Each time it was washed and detailed inside and outside, all fluids were checked and replenished if needed, the holding tanks were washed, LP system was checked for leaks, all torque on wheel lugs were checked, brakes front and rear checked for wear and cracks, pressure in tires, all appliances, generator oil, lights inside and outside, the list goes on and on.

It also listed all oil changes,coolant change,trans service,fuel injector service and cleaning,fuel filters,air filter, new brakes, all repairs and replacements all with date, mileage and time spent in complete detail from day one to when it was pulled from the rental fleet and was refurbished. I have a complete service record on this vehicle.Also the service records on the Onan Generator,all oil changes,air filter and spark plug replacement with hours and date. I negotiated a good deal with them and am very happy with my purchase.

It came with a 1 yr. 12000 mile power train warranty and 30 day on all appliances. It also came with a 28 page maintenance record that detailed everything. Also the original sales packet from Fleetwood with the manual and serial numbers on all appliances,refrigerator, microwave,furnace, AC, water heater, etc. and the manual for the Chassis. I have had no problems with it so far.

(ON EDIT) 5 Years and close to 14000 miles.Just Scheduled Maintenance and new tires,old ones were at the 5 year mark and I wanted new Michelin LTX M/S2s.

There were a few things that it didnโ€™t have as it was a rental and the ones from private parties did have.
โ€ข Power steps, outside Stereo/CD donโ€™t need or want them.
โ€ข An Awning, this I wanted and had installed. A Swivel Seat and a new Window in The Door that I installed.
โ€ข Wheel Simulators, I like the looks so I had them installed and at the same time had Tire Man valve stem kit put on.
โ€ข Replaced the Chinese WFCO with a US Made converter/charger
โ€ข It came with mini blinds and not the day/night that most have, these are more practical and have a lot less failure.
  • It also came with Stainless Steel sinks,easier to maintain than the cheap plastic ones that come in the noncommercial units.

I am very happy with my Rig, it suites my needs and it was in my Budget range, I think I got a good deal.

So if you bought a rental please share your experience here for others to use as a resource.
Or if there are any other questions that have not been covered in these pages, just ask, there are many helpful people on this thread.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C
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Mich_F
Explorer
Explorer
mcnugget wrote:
It seems in general, the rental postings are all in the 100-140k mile range, is this pretty standard for when they retire rentals? Or do they vary at other times?


I think normally Cruise America keeps RVs in their fleet for 5 years or so,before selling, which seems to put most of them in the 100,000 mile and up range. I believe other companies like Road Bear, will sell their new RVs at any time.
2014 Itasca Spirit 31K Class C
2016 Mazda CX5 on Acme tow dolly- 4 trips ~ 5,800 mi
Now 2017 RWD F150 with a drive shaft disconnect

TripleClamp
Explorer
Explorer
We just got a rental 2011 (2010 chassis) Coachmen Freelander with 114K on it.
2011 Coachmen Freelander 32BH
2013 Honda CRF450R

mcnugget
Explorer
Explorer
It seems in general, the rental postings are all in the 100-140k mile range, is this pretty standard for when they retire rentals? Or do they vary at other times?

2001Fleetwood29
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Explorer
Bought my 2001 Ford E450 with 2000 Fleetwood 29Z coach used from a dealer in 2005. It had been a rental (hence the leftover 2000 coach mounted on a 2001 Ford chassis), then privately owned,then traded to our dealer before we bought it. No slides, vinyl floor, aluminum sink. We still love it. Early on we added a Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer and Bilstien shocks. This made a HUGE difference in driving. I would buy a rental again. Mine had been a rental of a small, single location RV dealer. It had just shy of 35000 when we bought it. I am not sure why the dealer that had it as a rental decided to sell, but that is low mileage for a rental unit. The carfax was clean too.

mcnugget
Explorer
Explorer
Good info, thanks!

path1
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mcnugget wrote:
hey all, been reading along time, and just signed up because of this thread. i've been looking at the prices listed on the inventory at CA and EM... what kind of negotiation are people averaging on these listed prices? none? 5% 20%?

would be nice to know what's possible going in. thanks!

Cory


Maybe CA have changed since we got ours in 2008 but there was no negotiation. Or maybe negotiation just location where you buy, not sure? Or maybe on the unit you get?

But we got awning and A/C and new battery were thrown in with our purchase. They said they could not come down on price but would add items mentioned above.
2003 Majestic 23P... Northwest travel machine
2013 Arctic Fox 25W... Wife "doll house" for longer snowbird trips
2001 "The Mighty Dodge"... tow vehicle for "doll house"

mcnugget
Explorer
Explorer
hey all, been reading along time, and just signed up because of this thread. i've been looking at the prices listed on the inventory at CA and EM... what kind of negotiation are people averaging on these listed prices? none? 5% 20%?

would be nice to know what's possible going in. thanks!

Cory

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
BoxinTheCompass wrote:


Yeah I had not been on in awhile and thought gee I should bump this thread but it's been bumping along quite nicely with 66 pages and I think about 80 owners now! Congrats Iamichabod!


Well thanks,but the congratulations should go to all the members on the Forum that have contributed to the Former Rental Thread. These are the ones that have kept the thread alive and useful.

With their posts on buying a Former Rental,their write ups on the process and how pleased they have been and their reasons for choosing to buy one. Also the Owners that come back and share their experiences.

Thus dispelling all the myths and misinformation not based on facts that it is a bad decision,which has been around for a while.

OK now Former Rental Owners lets Go Camping!! And spread the word :B
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

BoxinTheCompass
Explorer
Explorer
kirbymurphy wrote:
66 Pages. WOW!


Yeah I had not been on in awhile and thought gee I should bump this thread but it's been bumping along quite nicely with 66 pages and I think about 80 owners now! Congrats Iamichabod!

kirbymurphy
Explorer
Explorer
Just wanted to say:

66 Pages. WOW!

rice_classic
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Explorer
I was looking around at local credit unions but I wanted to one-stop-shop at CA. Sales guy is motivated to sell RV's so I let him do that work. First quote he got me was high and I said I wouldn't even drive up to look at the RV at that rate so he pinged two other institutions and got me a rate lower than my local credit union could so I went with that. I made sure there was no early-payoff penalty as I intend to pay off within 2 years.

STEVE-OTR
Explorer
Explorer
Thanks, gotsmart:

I did consider doing a Home Equity Loan but the problem is that there is very little equity for my home. After 2008 (when this economy went to He%@&) my home value went way down. I was upside down for awhile but now am finally leveling out as the home value is slowly starting to climb again.

I ended up contacting Cruise America and they had a list of loan companies that they have worked with in the past. So now am awaiting responses from some of them. So far CA has been very helpful in answering all of my questions and have been great to work with.

My unit is already reserved. Last I heard it is in it's final stages of refurbishing. I can't wait!!!

Steve-OTR
2012 Majestic 28A
Ford E-450 V-10

Snowman9000
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Explorer
rice_classic wrote:
Thanks Ichabod. All fluids will be replaced since they couldn't produce actual maintenance records only a carfax and a list of what happens in the refurb facility.

For those of you with these CA vehicles I have a question. The LED bulbs inside are that AWFUL blue light. Has anyone replaced the LED bulbs inside and what type are they and what's a good place to source them?

I want ones with a warmer color.


I and many other forum members have had good luck with the warm white bulbs from this vendor on ebay. You do have to wait maybe 3 weeks or so for the slow boat from China. Just enter your bulb base type in the search box. 1156, 921, etc.
http://stores.ebay.com/duan-led2010?_rdc=1
Currently RV-less but not done yet.

gotsmart
Explorer
Explorer
Steve,
If you own a home then look into a Home Equity Loan (2nd mortgage). You'll get to deduct the interest on your taxes, you're buying the RV with cash, and you get the title for the RV sent to you - cuz the loan is against the home and not the RV.
2005 Cruise America 28R (Four Winds 28R) on a 2004 Ford E450 SD 6.8L V10 4R100
2009 smart fortwo Passion with Roadmaster "Falcon 2" towbar & tail light kit - pictures

STEVE-OTR
Explorer
Explorer
Hello, All:

In about 12 days I will be driving out to the Cruise America in Orlando, FL. to pick up a Majestic Four Winds 28A. Naturally I started to look for financing options and found some pretty great rates from many lending institutions but I have run into a Snag. I am learning, very quickly, that many RV finance Companies will either Not finance or Finance at a higher rate if the Rig, that your are trying to buy, has more than 100K miles on it. Sure most units from former rental companies are not older than 5 years but they do have over 60K miles on them (60K is the max on Gasoline engines that your unit can have for most finance institutions to even consider the loan). The unit I am interested in 110,000 miles on it.

I would love to hear from anyone who has had to finance in order to buy a former rental unit. Who did you go with or what was your experience? My goal is to obtain a 120 month or 10 year loan with a competitive rate. Good Sam and Essex Credit (which I think are the same company) both do not finance RV's that are over 60,000 miles on a gasoline engine.

As always, its great to hear from you all.
Trying to stay positive (thought of purchasing new already rolled through my mind once). Thanks.

Steve
2012 Majestic 28A
Ford E-450 V-10