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Fiat may have another winner

RobertRyan
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If this was introduced into the NA market, it could replace the Sprinter. This is the 50c spec as against the heavier 70c
2016 Iveco Daily 50C210 vs 2016 Mercedes Sprinter 519CDI.
First let's go through the specs:
Mercedes Sprinter 519CDI
Power: 140kw/190hp @ 3800rpm
Torque: 440nm @ 1400-2400rpm
Gearbox: 7 speed torque converter type auto.
Tow Capacity: 2000kg(4,400lb)
Rear Suspension: Leaf springs
Iveco Daily 50C210
Power: 150kw/205hp
Torque: 470nm
Gearbox: 8 speed torque converter type auto.
Tow Capacity: 3500kg(7,700lb)
Rear suspension: airbag
It is important to note that we are using a higher spec than other manufacturers for the Iveco, from what we have seen they are all using the lower output 174hp engine and the standard leaf spring rear suspension.
In 2015 a major improvement released by Iveco was their new ZF 8 speed auto which replaced the old 6 speed automated manual. The old gearbox was the number one reason customers would pick the Mercedes over the Iveco.
I have driven the Mercedes many thousands of Kms over the years and have always thought it drives very well, some people don't like the soft suspension that allows some body roll but I never thought this was a major issue. (There are now some great sway bar kits we can fit for this too).
The Mercedes is smooth in its power and gear shifting which was always one of the main reasons customers would pay more for it. There is plenty of power going up steep hills even with a car on the back.
Fuel economy is good with many customers even on larger ones reporting figures in the 12-13L/100km and up to 18L/100km with bed over cab models and tow cars.
I have now travelled approximately 3000km in the new Iveco, I was towing a 5 door Suzuki Grand Vitara the entire time and found the power and gearbox smooth and absolutely amazing!!
It travels along at 110km/hr with ease at about 1900rpm in 8th gear even with the car on the back. The economy from what I can work out would be a little better than the equivalent setup on a Mercedes, I averaged 16L/100km for the entire trip. This would be better for most customers who travel a little slower to take in the scenery.
The airbag suspension is a great improvement over the standard Iveco leaf springs.
Both vehicles have tremendous pulling power, heading out of Adelaide up through the hills both the Mercedes and the Iveco Motorhomes maintain 100km/hr and even the Iveco towing the car maintained 90-95km/hr.
Overall on paper at least the Iveco has this won easily at $8000 cheaper too.
In reality it is not so clear cut. There are many small details on the Mercedes that have that well thought out German feel to them. Things like the position of the side mirrors are basically perfect on the Mercedes but for me in the Iveco with the seat back to suit my 6'3" frame I found myself having to look around the window pillar a little.
The gear shifter in the Iveco is in a spot that my knee rubbed on that only became annoying after 1000km.
Fit and finish is also better on the Mercedes, this is most noticeable on the dash where the various plastic parts join together.
Styling wise I really like the look of the new Iveco on the outside, although I prefer the inside of the Mercedes.
Overall I think the decision on which is better comes down to what your priorities are.
If tow capacity is what you need then the Iveco will be the winner.
If the fit and finish of the interior and the driving position ergonomics (and maybe a little badge envy) is what motivates you then the Mercedes may be a better fit.
What would I buy?
That's obvious..... Whichever one my wife prefers as I think they're both great anyway. ??????
Ben MacLean
General Manager
Paradise Motorhomes

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pnichols
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j-d wrote:
From a historical perspective, I wish the E-550 (that's right Five-Fifty) had taken hold and continued. That straight front axle with bigger brakes and 19.5" tires would be good handling AND turning radius in the "Large" C's. Blur distinction between "C" and "Super C."


X10 on that!! The folks that have ever heard of the E550 Ford van probably can be counted on one or two hands. I believe that it even had leaf springs in the front. That definitely could still fill the niche market for a larger and rugged Class C not having to be built on those large Super C commercial truck chassis that are tough to climb up into and expensive to have serviced.

I wish someone could post some photos of E550 vans so everyone could see what they were. It sure would make a great 4X4 Class C chassis, too.
2005 E450 Itasca 24V Class C

RobertRyan
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Just noticed something that only happens in Australia and New Zealand and outside of the IVECO the next default chassis, when you want something slightly bigger in Class C's





RobertRyan
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CharlesinGA wrote:
j-d wrote:
Ford Transit looks like a prospect here, but from what I've heard they don't offer diesel in the cutaway...? Hope I'm wrong


This is the internet, rather easy to verify, the Transit CC/CA (cab & chassis/cut away) is available with either the 3.7L TI-VCT V6 gas engine, or the 3.2L I5 diesel engine, and available with up to a 10,360 lb GVWR, six speed auto, 3.73 axle, also available limited slip.

Charles

3.2 only available in the Ranger,2.2 Diesel in the Transit here, but overall GCVWR in the Jumbo version, greater than NA version

CharlesinGA
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j-d wrote:
Ford Transit looks like a prospect here, but from what I've heard they don't offer diesel in the cutaway...? Hope I'm wrong


This is the internet, rather easy to verify, the Transit CC/CA (cab & chassis/cut away) is available with either the 3.7L TI-VCT V6 gas engine, or the 3.2L I5 diesel engine, and available with up to a 10,360 lb GVWR, six speed auto, 3.73 axle, also available limited slip.

Charles
'03 Ram 2500 CTD, 5.9HO six speed, PacBrake Exh Brake, std cab, long bed, Leer top and 2008 Bigfoot 25B21RB.. previously (both gone) 2008 Thor/Dutchman Freedom Spirit 180 & 2007 Winnebago View 23H Motorhome.

Rick_Jay
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carringb wrote:
What's their first winner?


Bryan...one of the funniest posts I've read on here in quite some time. Thanks for the laugh!!! ๐Ÿ™‚

~Rick
2005 Georgie Boy Cruise Master 3625 DS on a Workhorse W-22
Rick, Gail, 1 girl (27-Angel since 2008), 1 girl (22), 2 boys (23 & 20).
2001 Honda Odyssey, Demco Aluminator tow bar & tow plate, SMI Silent Partner brake controller.

RobertRyan
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Wolfe10 wrote:
Fiat design, Yugoslavian production/QC.

Terrible build quality. ADRIA , made in Slovenia (that used to be part of the old Yugoslavia) is the diametric opposite and exported to many countries

RobertRyan
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garmp1 wrote:
That's the problem on our last camper look-see shopping trip. The salesman bragged about the Dodge van used by this particular B manufacturer as being on a Fiat chassis. To me that was a deterrent. As the old adage goes: Fix It Again Tony!
But that's just me.

Do not know about the Promaster, but the Ducato has been reasonable

wolfe10
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RobertRyan wrote:
pauldub wrote:
At least Yugo made Fiat look good.

They manufactured a Fiat


Fiat design, Yugoslavian production/QC.
Brett Wolfe
Ex: 2003 Alpine 38'FDDS
Ex: 1997 Safari 35'
Ex: 1993 Foretravel U240

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garmp
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That's the problem on our last camper look-see shopping trip. The salesman bragged about the Dodge van used by this particular B manufacturer as being on a Fiat chassis. To me that was a deterrent. As the old adage goes: Fix It Again Tony!
But that's just me.
Our 2351D Phoenix Cruiser, Jack, has turned us from campers into RVers and loving it!

RobertRyan
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pauldub wrote:
At least Yugo made Fiat look good.

They manufactured a Fiat

pauldub
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At least Yugo made Fiat look good.

RobertRyan
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ron.dittmer wrote:
I am sure they are a different company today.

Yes they are but the FCA side still does not have a great reputation for quality. CNH/ IVECO much better in that regard

ron_dittmer
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Valkyriebush wrote:
My very first car after HS was a Fiat 850 Spyder. Yellow, and the biggest lemon in the grove! I stayed broke until I sold it. I'm sure their better now, but no thanks. lol
Similar story here with a 1980 Fiat Brava bought 10 years old and less than 8000 miles, stored in a heated garage. It was like brand new, but oh what a bad experience. It all had to do with the design and engineering of the car, not the vehicle's age and lack of use. It's hard to shake off that bad first experience.....not fair to Fiat. I am sure they are a different company today.

Come to think about it, back in 1980, nobody really "had it together" ๐Ÿ™‚

RobertRyan
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Also IVECO competes against FCA products as it is part of the IVECO/CNH/CASE/NEW HOLLAND Tractors separate company.
IVECO Daily 35c Van competes with the Ducato Van