New Roadtrek 'Zion'-----promaster

[gerrym51]

here is the new zion


Roadtrek Zion

[wincrasher65]

A few of the eurovans have these swivel toilets. It's a really neat idea. But I think all of these are cassettes. Uncertain if it can be done on a traditional black tank type unit.

[RobertRyan]

tbirdman wrote:

gerrym51 wrote:

tbirdman wrote:
I like to see the Zion in person. Someone needs to be creative e in the bathrooms. The 59K with the flip up sink seems very innovative. Someone needs to come out with a shower with walls that slide out. You only use the room a few times a day, so someone needs to get creative. May instead of a slide out you have a bathroom slide in:-)

I think you answered your own comment'you only use the room a few times a day'.

Yes but the bathrooms now are total unusable in the current configurations today. My comment by a couple times a day was meant to indicate that having a bathroom expand to take up some aisle space only a couple times a day, would not be a huge inconvenience.

TRAKKA here has a Toilet that tucks away,notice it "hiding"

[tbirdman]

gerrym51 wrote:

tbirdman wrote:
I like to see the Zion in person. Someone needs to be creative e in the bathrooms. The 59K with the flip up sink seems very innovative. Someone needs to come out with a shower with walls that slide out. You only use the room a few times a day, so someone needs to get creative. May instead of a slide out you have a bathroom slide in:-)

I think you answered your own comment'you only use the room a few times a day'.

Yes but the bathrooms now are total unusable in the current configurations today. My comment by a couple times a day was meant to indicate that having a bathroom expand to take up some aisle space only a couple times a day, would not be a huge inconvenience.

[stan909]

Safari made one in a Sprinter but it had a platform that stuck out into the hallway. No reports on how well that worked out.

[gerrym51]

tbirdman wrote:
I like to see the Zion in person. Someone needs to be creative e in the bathrooms. The 59K with the flip up sink seems very innovative. Someone needs to come out with a shower with walls that slide out. You only use the room a few times a day, so someone needs to get creative. May instead of a slide out you have a bathroom slide in:-)

I think you answered your own comment'you only use the room a few times a day'.

[tbirdman]

I like to see the Zion in person. Someone needs to be creative e in the bathrooms. The 59K with the flip up sink seems very innovative. Someone needs to come out with a shower with walls that slide out. You only use the room a few times a day, so someone needs to get creative. May instead of a slide out you have a bathroom slide in:-)

[wincrasher65]

Well, if you are seriously considering a B, then you have to choose what us most important to you - kitchen, bath or bed. If you want, for example, a large kitchen area, then you are going to have to give a bit on either bath or bed. You simply can't have it all.

To me, one of those things is ALOT less of a compromise than what you are talking about giving up by going with a B+ or a C!

In looking at the .Zion, it looks like you are giving up bathroom space. The kitchen counter is small, but there are lots of cabinets and that large pantry. I'd like this van slit better if they did the flip down bathroom sink like Winnebago is doing in the 59k. That would give you just a bit more shower space and might make that bath not such a compromise.

[tbirdman]

However for resale probably want to keep it suited towards two passengers as that is the dominate buyer. But if they could only make the bathroom a little bigger. I thing the 59K hits the bathroom but misses on a lot of other things. They appear to at least alleviate the space hogging fresh water tank ottoman. So far I think the Zion is much better depending on the bath.

Otherwise I may have to go to a bigger B+/C like the Pleasureway Prestige and sacrifice the stealth camping, ease of parking and the ability to keep it in my driveway.

[mumkin]

My brochure is a copy of the one handed out at the big dealer show by Roadtrek to their dealers. That is probably where Van City got theirs too. But certainly there will be changes from the prototype

tbirdman wrote:
It be nice if there was an option in these class B's for a single person traveling with a large dog. One of those rear beds could either be eliminated or made to flip up so you get more floor space. Of course then you give up storage. As a single person I don't need two beds/loungers or as much storage. I need more floor space and an a bigger bathroom.

I know exactly what you mean about there not being much on the market that appeals to the single traveler with a dog... of any size. It is pretty much Sportsmobile... and for now Great West is still flexible and will make lots of changes to their prototype as per your wishes.

The other positive for those two builders is that they will build on the smaller Promasters. The big manufacturers are all focused on the 21 ft model.

[SkiMore]

tbirdman wrote:
The Zion and the Travato 59K both look promising. The one unanswered question for the Zion is how big is the bathroom. It appears to be larger than normal with a curved door. Why these class B don't take an extra 4-6" of aisle space for the bathroom which would make all the difference. To bad the 59K flip up sink is not implemented in the Zion. I think the Zion with it's features is a clear winner over the 59K except for the bathroom. The 59K wasted space in my opinion with the fridge on the floor. I fully don't understand the 59K layout although it's a big improvement over the 59G.

It be nice if there was an option in these class B's for a single person traveling with a large dog. One of those rear beds could either be eliminated or made to flip up so you get more floor space. Of course then you give up storage. As a single person I don't need two beds/loungers or as much storage. I need more floor space and an a bigger bathroom.

I think some of that under bed space is wheel well.

[gerrym51]

tbirdman wrote:
The Zion and the Travato 59K both look promising. The one unanswered question for the Zion is how big is the bathroom. It appears to be larger than normal with a curved door. Why these class B don't take an extra 4-6" of aisle space for the bathroom which would make all the difference. To bad the 59K flip up sink is not implemented in the Zion. I think the Zion with it's features is a clear winner over the 59K except for the bathroom. The 59K wasted space in my opinion with the fridge on the floor. I fully don't understand the 59K layout although it's a big improvement over the 59G.

It be nice if there was an option in these class B's for a single person traveling with a large dog. One of those rear beds could either be eliminated or made to flip up so you get more floor space. Of course then you give up storage. As a single person I don't need two beds/loungers or as much storage. I need more floor space and an a bigger bathroom.

maybe a sportsmobile-they can build it exactly as you want

[tbirdman]

The Zion and the Travato 59K both look promising. The one unanswered question for the Zion is how big is the bathroom. It appears to be larger than normal with a curved door. Why these class B don't take an extra 4-6" of aisle space for the bathroom which would make all the difference. To bad the 59K flip up sink is not implemented in the Zion. I think the Zion with it's features is a clear winner over the 59K except for the bathroom. The 59K wasted space in my opinion with the fridge on the floor. I fully don't understand the 59K layout although it's a big improvement over the 59G.

It be nice if there was an option in these class B's for a single person traveling with a large dog. One of those rear beds could either be eliminated or made to flip up so you get more floor space. Of course then you give up storage. As a single person I don't need two beds/loungers or as much storage. I need more floor space and an a bigger bathroom.

[gerrym51]

Davydd wrote:
Mumkin,

Don't take brochures as gospel, especially possibly preliminary ones such as Van City published. It could very well be a rushed draft copy scabbed together by someone not fully versed with the Zion. And of course, Roadtrek may not even have all the details ironed out yet though they say as of December 1st they were on the production line.

When I bought my Great West Van I pointed out over a half dozen mistakes in their brochure. So brochures are not always accurate.

That 800 amp chassis battery line indeed was a puzzler which brings me back to a hasty scabbed together effort.

I agree with Davydd,

i have found at least 3 omissions, 2 obvious errors,and 2 more 'probable' errors on it. I will not say what they are because since i am not roadtrek i can;t be 100 percent postive.


ps i queried roadtrek directly. the zion will have one 400 amp agm battery standard 12 volt. tire under van will be standard no 6 volt will be used

[Davydd]

Mumkin,

Don't take brochures as gospel, especially possibly preliminary ones such as Van City published. It could very well be a rushed draft copy scabbed together by someone not fully versed with the Zion. And of course, Roadtrek may not even have all the details ironed out yet though they say as of December 1st they were on the production line.

When I bought my Great West Van I pointed out over a half dozen mistakes in their brochure. So brochures are not always accurate.

That 800 amp chassis battery line indeed was a puzzler which brings me back to a hasty scabbed together effort.

[Neverhappy]

avanti wrote:

mumkin wrote:
The 5cf fridge is only 12v?? (is that enough battery for this on the road?)

If the fridge is 12V only, it is almost certainly a compressor fridge. They take MUCH less power than an absorption refrigerator running at 12VDC. The industry is rapidly going in this direction--they are great.

I have a 12 v compressor fridge,it cools much faster...but will kill the battery if you leave it on permanently without recharging.