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sh410
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Does anyone have suggestions for a defrager other than the native windows offering?
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5er4ever
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2oldman wrote:
5er4ever wrote:
I know I will never defrag my 3tb external that is almost full.
My goodness, that's a lot of data.


I backed up my VHS tape library onto my hard drive. My Old VCR's are failing.

I also backup about 5 pc's, tablets and 3 smart phones because I am the admin guy.

Not to mention the 30gb's of family photos and videos.
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magicbus
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shum02 wrote:
joebedford wrote:
My NTFS has never needed defragging.


Defragging my NTFS files made a huge decrease on server backup times. Still do it.

Microsoft NOT including a defrag utility on NT because they said NTFS didn't need it was an incredible joke.
And if you read their tech forum they acknowledge that.

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shum02
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joebedford wrote:
My NTFS has never needed defragging.


Defragging my NTFS files made a huge decrease on server backup times. Still do it.

Microsoft NOT including a defrag utility on NT because they said NTFS didn't need it was an incredible joke.
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2oldman
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5er4ever wrote:
I know I will never defrag my 3tb external that is almost full.
My goodness, that's a lot of data.
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5er4ever
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2oldman wrote:
sherlock62 wrote:
So, so much misinformation in this thread.
It's risky coming here for solid technical information.


Maybe, but isn't it also fun! ๐Ÿ˜‰

I know I will never defrag my 3tb external that is almost full. I would not live long enough to see it finish. Not sure letting a program run for 24 or 300 hours at full speed on a drive is actually doing any amount of good that a normal mortal human could recognize.
But wouldn't it be nice to see all those pretty little green squares line up properly?

Just saying, I see no need.
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fj12ryder
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And you base that on...?
Howard and Peggy

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joebedford
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My NTFS has never needed defragging.

5er4ever
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Well, this topic will be in a loop soon enough and I have dealt with it for many years (like others here).

In the beginning: Like the 80's.

- & still true today A rotating disk drive is about the slowest activity.

In the Middle: Like the 90's.

- Cache was added to drives to speed up access to the 'next part' of the files in-use.

In the later middle: Like 2k

- Fetch, pre-fetch and super fetch was added to obtain the next block of data BEFORE the actual program asks for the data.

In the end:

- SSD eliminates the slower need to do a rotational disk read/write.

- HDD have so much capacity and internal cache applied BEFORE the OS applies it's caching algorithms that it pretty much covers all issues of slowness.

Summary:

I see no need or very little need to defrag more than once per year.

Defrag activity IMHO is 10 times the volume of disk-io volume of ANY other activity a normal user would ever encounter.

We all want speed and we want to test real life speed (not the hypothetical speeds based upon fake data scenarios or BUY my software charts).

The only files that need a defrag are those that the OS loads at startup (because they do over time with hundreds of OS updates get defragmented) So to save that additional 76 milliseconds on startup time may be important).

Other files "like that copy of a movie that was scattered all over a drive and not as neat as you think it should" will be loaded, fetched, pre-fetched and super-fetched long before your application program needs the data (hence the term buffering ahead).

I have a better question for the modern user:

What % of your disk-IO's life span are assigned to non-user activity?

Like Scans for Malware, Viruses and defrag's?

Computers are like trucks. You paid $50,000 for a truck and found out that 85% of all cost were for Parking 'off the road" user activity.

My .02

Do not allow your idle time to be consumed by looking for things to do. 99% of all the computer users out there would not notice the difference between a defragged computer and a non defragged computer.

ps...... My main computer boots in 15 seconds. The other 4 take about 2 min.
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shum02
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fj12ryder wrote:
garry1p wrote:
Anyone know how to stop the Win 7 auto defrag?
Why would you want to do that?


x2?

On a decent current machine even if it was running you'd not even notice a performance drop - it is a background service. Same goes for virus scans.
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Tom_M1
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garry1p wrote:
Anyone know how to stop the Win 7 auto defrag?
Here's a link: Configure disk defrag
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fj12ryder
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garry1p wrote:
Anyone know how to stop the Win 7 auto defrag?
Why would you want to do that?
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ReadyToGo
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"MOST home computer users turn on the computer, use it and then shut it right down"
Where does this information come from? I travel from RV park to RV park and every time I visit someone, their computer is on. How can I tell, usually the screen saver is running. When I am at home, the same thing is happening. In fact, most people do not like to wait for the computer to complete the time it takes to come up.
I would really like to see a survey results that shows that users reboot all the time.

garry1p
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Anyone know how to stop the Win 7 auto defrag?
Garry1p


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fj12ryder
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sherlock62 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
sherlock62 wrote:
So, so much misinformation in this thread.

Defragging a hard drive, with the Windows defragger or free/or purchased 3rd party defragging program, defragging is beneficial. In regard to an SSD, do not defrag.
^^^^^^Like you said: "So, so much misinformation in this thread."


fj12ryder... To clarify my thoughts.. Indeed, in the year 2015 to initiate a defrag (3rd party or Windows defrag) is not a priority as defragging is done lets say automatically by the OS.(for example, Windows 7, by default, sets up a schedule to defrag the hard drive.) But.. but, the computer usually waits for an idle moment to do the defrag if it can't do as it automatically scheduled itself to do it.. MOST home computer users turn on the computer, use it and then shut it right down. The computer thus, never gets / does not have the opportunity to do the defrag.. For the computer user to initiate a defrag(3rd party or Windows defrag) is not required lets say but for the reasons I just mentioned to do a defrag / to initiate a defrag is often a positive thing. And no, you never want to defrag an SSD. To slip up and defrag an SSD in error does not mean disaster but it is to be avoided.
Ah, okay now I understand from where you're coming. I really hadn't considered the fact that people may not be leaving their computers on long enough for the OS to run the defrag program. You make a decent point about that. Which means that a third party defrag program may actually serve a purpose.

I'm glad you explained it for me because I sure wouldn't have thought of that on my own. Always nice to hear other logical explanations. Thanks.
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