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2oldman
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I have 2 Nest (brand) security cams in the S&B which are Wifi to my Linksys router WRT120N. This router has a bad habit of dropping the wifi connection every now and then, which means the cams go offline and cannot reconnect without a manual power down of the router.

I've yet to review some further advice given to me by Nest support, but in the meantime, my question has to do with a timed power-down of this router every day while I'm away for the winter. I'd buy a simple 24hr mechanical timer to which the router is connected, then have it cut the router's power for a short time every 24 hours.

I know it's a kludge.. but does anyone see a problem?
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman
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LittleBill
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mike-s wrote:
I've worked for years in data center environments - it's much more common to use PDUs to power cycle equipment because someone fat-fingered a configuration change than because the device just went dead on its own. That can happen, too, but it's a pretty rare occasion, certainly not daily or the device wouldn't be on the network. All non-trivial software has bugs. PDUs are also used to monitor power, and at times to shut off non-critical devices, such as during a power failure to conserve UPS capacity.


I'm very curious what data center you worked at that power cycle via the pdu, considering most power banks on the pdu have multiple servers, also not sure why your not using ilo or drac ports. i work in data centers daily and have never seen this practice, way to easy to power cycle the wrong servers..

garry1p
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WOW I never thought of that my camera DVR does an auto reset every Sunday plus I can reboot remotely.

The modem/router has never gone offline should it do so I have no way to reboot.

Guess I should look into a weekly POR worse case I loose a week of data if it did go offline.
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mike-s
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SCVJeff wrote:
You are talking about mechanical devices, none of which are internal to the router, so who cares?

No, really, power cycles do shorten lifespan. I've dealt with lots of equipment which runs constant on for years (like PBXs). The biggest fear with an extended power outage (they usually have battery and generator backup, but that only goes so far), or major upgrade which requires removing power is whether they'll come back up, and how many pieces which had been running fine for years won't power up anew.

It's really not debatable, power cycles produce more stress (thermal cycles, etc.) than no power cycles. They will reduce the lifespan. It's just a matter of whether the lifespan is shortened to less than the useful life of the product, many of which get replaced before they die on their own.
SCVJeff wrote:
I say again, IP controlled strips are common in the IT world to reset "junk" switch equipment from cheap Chinese junk companies like HP, Cisco, Dell, etc. maybe we should have them remove the word "enterprise class" from their description?
I've worked for years in data center environments - it's much more common to use PDUs to power cycle equipment because someone fat-fingered a configuration change than because the device just went dead on its own. That can happen, too, but it's a pretty rare occasion, certainly not daily or the device wouldn't be on the network. All non-trivial software has bugs. PDUs are also used to monitor power, and at times to shut off non-critical devices, such as during a power failure to conserve UPS capacity.

Having said that, I use a PDU to power cycle stuff, but only on rare occasion, not daily. Cable interface on the router doesn't come back up? The server will recognize the Internet is down, and power cycle it. Server goes down? I can console into the router and power cycle the server. Normally both stay running for long periods, it's mostly during poor power events (multiple power up/down after the UPS has run out, for example) that something does go wrong.

Mudinyeri
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SCVJeff wrote:
You are talking about mechanical devices, none of which are internal to the router, so who cares?


Mechanical, electro-mechanical .... The router has a power supply. The power supply .... Oh, never mind.

Sam_Spade
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SCVJeff wrote:
My AC1900 is fully accessed through the iPhone from the WAN.


It's probably just me having a brain cramp but.......

If your iPhone is a hundred miles away, what exactly is it going to aceess and how ?

I thought that the term WAN usually refers to the "cloud", IE the Internet.
'07 Damon Outlaw 3611
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SCVJeff
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You are talking about mechanical devices, none of which are internal to the router, so who cares?

I say again, IP controlled strips are common in the IT world to reset "junk" switch equipment from cheap Chinese junk companies like HP, Cisco, Dell, etc. maybe we should have them remove the word "enterprise class" from their description?

And sometimes it's not the router. I've had more defective modems than routers and they seem to choke trying to get an IP assignment from the host modem/swx. Either way a reset needs to happen and he ain't home.

This is common practice and it works
Jeff - WA6EQU
'06 Itasca Meridian 34H, CAT C7/350

Mudinyeri
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SCVJeff wrote:
One could argue the statement that power cycling reduces life ....


You could argue it. You would be wrong. Switching operations are an integral component of predicting lifespan of "switchgear." Switchgear refers to products like circuit breakers, switches and switch fuse units.

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/how-to-predict-life-span-of-the-switchgear

Is the impact to lifespan significant? It depends on the device. Most likely, with something like a WiFi router, the device's technology will be out-of-date before switching operations kill it. Regardless, the timer/on-off cycle is a kluge in an attempt to fix a more significant underlying issue - an obviously junk router.

SCVJeff
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Sam Spade wrote:
thestoloffs wrote:
Here's my question:

Most routers I know for home usage have a 192.168.x.x address for their user interface web page. That's a locally assigned IP address, findable within your local LAN -- but NOT visible (i.e., DNS-identifiable) to the WAN side (i.e., the Internet).

Any suggestions?


That is not the address you would use to remotely access the unit.

The network side has a "real" address and that is the one that you would need.

And it would have to be capable of doing remote network access. And to be reliable, you would have to subscribe to a fixed address for the network side of the router.
Actually you don't. My AC1900 is fully accessed through the iPhone from the WAN. Never bothered to look but I'm sure Lynksys runs a DNS server somewhere these talk to. I have several remotely accessed devices on the LAN and the only ones you have to do a path update for manually are the Foscams.
Jeff - WA6EQU
'06 Itasca Meridian 34H, CAT C7/350

obgraham
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So, 2oldman, this is interesting.

You're in little old Ephrata, with fiber access.

I'm down here in TriCities, what, 15 times the size. No fiber connections here for me! DSL still. Who uses DSL? Lots of us! Maybe I'll move!

Sam_Spade
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thestoloffs wrote:
Here's my question:

Most routers I know for home usage have a 192.168.x.x address for their user interface web page. That's a locally assigned IP address, findable within your local LAN -- but NOT visible (i.e., DNS-identifiable) to the WAN side (i.e., the Internet).

Any suggestions?


That is not the address you would use to remotely access the unit.

The network side has a "real" address and that is the one that you would need.

And it would have to be capable of doing remote network access. And to be reliable, you would have to subscribe to a fixed address for the network side of the router.
'07 Damon Outlaw 3611
CanAm Spyder in the "trunk"

SCVJeff
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One could argue the statement that power cycling reduces life and I doubt there is any data to back that up. We start our cars daily that are now very sofiscated and I can count the number of CPU failures I've ever heard on one finger. Additionally the IT world commonly uses IP aware plugs trips that can power cycle any or all outlets of the strip to do exactly what the OP wanted to do. In any case he's likely now on the road and hopefully talking to the house from wherever they are.
Jeff - WA6EQU
'06 Itasca Meridian 34H, CAT C7/350

Mudinyeri
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Disclaimer: I'm in the security business.

braindead0 wrote:
As long as you don't mind anyone being able to remote control it from anywhere.


If you have good security on the router and utilize good personal security protocols this won't be a problem.

To the OP: Will the timer work? Sure ... unless the (apparently unreliable) router doesn't recover from the hard reboot. Furthermore, every electric/electronic device has a life cycle - largely tied to the number of power cycles it goes through (although, there are other factors). Cycling the power on your router - a device intended to be turned on and left on - will shorten its life cycle.

Instead of using a kluge, get yourself a good, reliable dual-band router. You care enough to have a security system in your home. Why create a weak link with a junk router?

I highly recommend the TP-LINK Archer C9 AC1900. It's about $120 on Amazon. For another $20, you can get the high power version which will give you more range. We often see cameras and other WiFi devices dropping due to router range issues.

ncscz
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thestoloffs wrote:
Here's my question:

Most routers I know for home usage have a 192.168.x.x address for their user interface web page. That's a locally assigned IP address, findable within your local LAN -- but NOT visible (i.e., DNS-identifiable) to the WAN side (i.e., the Internet).

Any suggestions?


You can use a service like Dtdns. They will allow you to get a unique name on one of their domains. There is a 1 time $5 charge to set up for personal usage (limited number of accesses up to 5 unique names). I have used it for occasional access while away from home to an IP camera that I don't normally show outside my local network.

If your local internet service is like mine & you get a different ip address multiple times per day, then you will need a way to update their records of your ip everytime it changes.
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Pirate1
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thestoloffs wrote:
Here's my question:

Most routers I know for home usage have a 192.168.x.x address for their user interface web page. That's a locally assigned IP address, findable within your local LAN -- but NOT visible (i.e., DNS-identifiable) to the WAN side (i.e., the Internet).

Any suggestions?
I think you need to know your IP AND port to remotely access your router, IF you have set up your router for remote access. Probably works great it set up ahead of time but if not, forget it.

thestoloffs
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Here's my question:

Most routers I know for home usage have a 192.168.x.x address for their user interface web page. That's a locally assigned IP address, findable within your local LAN -- but NOT visible (i.e., DNS-identifiable) to the WAN side (i.e., the Internet).

Any suggestions?