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brotherjethro
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Hi all,

I wanted to post an experience I had with Maxxis M8008 trailer tires. This is my first post here, so I hope this is the right forum for trailer tire issues, and I hope this is not too long!

In April of 2011, I bought a new set of 4 Maxxis M8008 ST205/75R14 tires for my 2009 North Trail 28' BHS travel trailer (5700lbs on trailer axles according to truck scale). After installation at America's Tire, I was annoyed to find that they were already 2 years old (2009 date code), but I was feeling sick that day and didn't have the energy to fight about it, so they are 5 years old now, with 3+ years of use. I would say I have put about 15K miles on these tires, all of which were on freeways or highways, and typically at a speed of 65mph. Compared to our previous tires, they are in excellent condition, no cracks, little evidence of wear, just all around great tires.

Coming home from a trip a week ago, we were on I5 northbound near Portland, Oregon, going about 65mph, temperature about 85F, when I happened to notice what looked like a chunk of tire flying off one of my passenger side trailer tires as I glanced in the mirror. Now, I always see stuff like this on the road, but this time I really felt like I should have noticed it on the road in front of me if it was already there, so I had this nagging feeling that it was from my trailer. But on the other hand, there was no indication that anything was wrong, and I figured I was being paranoid. I was tired, and we were almost home, and I really wanted it not to be a problem, so it was easy to ignore.

A few miles later, we hit a slowdown due to traffic, and I started to notice a lot of vibration I'd never felt before. At this time, I got really suspicious and decided I had to pull over, but it was a few more miles before there was somewhere safe to do so.

When I stopped and made my way back to the trailer, I saw nothing out of the ordinary at first. But upon closer inspection, I realized that about 1/3 of the tread was missing from the passenger side rear tire. I had been driving on the steel belts, but amazingly it was still holding air (which was pretty scary, because I pictured it exploding at any second).

Luckily, we had a usable spare tire, and there was minimal damage to the trailer, which I was able to repair later.

But I thought people might be interested in seeing this, since Maxxis are supposed to be the best trailer tires out there. I still believe this is probably true, and I suppose I'll replace this one with the same model, but even so, I continue to be shocked at just how often trailer tires fail. If car & truck tires were this bad, the manufacturers would have been sued out of business long ago.

On the plus side, the tire held air pressure and allowed us to drive something like 10+ miles in this condition. I've seen the aftermath of a few other blowouts, and I realize it could have been a lot worse.

Okay, so on to the photos:











The damage -- not really much at all:


The repair, before undercoating:
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Drew_K
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Explorer
Glad to hear you were able to make it off the road safely. It could have been a lot worse.

I made the switch to LT tires before our recent trek to Colorado, despite having to also buy 16 inch rims. Comparing the LT and ST wheels side by side, the LT is heavier and MUCH stiffer, so they don't deflect as much like an ST. Tire failure is the #1 thing I worry about then RV'ing, so I'm happy with the change. I've experienced too many ST tire failures first hand or heard about them through friends. No more ST for me.
2013 F250 CC 4x4 Diesel
2014 Open Range Roamer Travel Trailer RT316RLS

JIMNLIN
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wilber1 wrote:
Lowsuv wrote:
The bottom line is :
We are seeing zero posts of failures of LT tires on this forum .
We have seen two dozen plus posts over the last couple of years about Maxxis tires ( made by the Chang-Shin Rubber Company of Taiwan ) of failures .

At replacement time , a switch to the best LT alternatives such as
the Kumho 857 radial size 205R14 or
the Goodyear Cargo G26 size 225/70R15 will eliminate tire failures on trailers .
Both are Load Range D and fit onto the factory steel wheels without modification .


There have been several posts on LT failures. I can remember at least a couple on Goodrich Commercial TA's and not all were recall tires.

Yeah looks like BFG didn't recall "all" the defective tires and they only recalled two sizes.
But we didn't see those BFG LT tires with issues till the last year or so.....and close to the same time frame as the recalled tires. The 15-20 years prior to those defective tires time frame the BFG Commercial LT had a excellent reliability record when used in a trailer position.

There are millions of LT tires out here on trucks/vans/suvs racking up even more millions of miles in a given year. So its not surprising on occasion we see or we have had a issue with one on our tow vehicle.
The number of ST tires on the road year round is but a drop in the bucket in comparison.
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers

'03 2500 QC Dodge/Cummins HO 3.73 6 speed manual Jacobs Westach
'97 Park Avanue 28' 5er 11200 two slides

Lantley
Nomad
Nomad
RCMAN46 wrote:
Three things different between ST tires on a trailer and LT tires on a pickup.

1. St tires are often subjected to curb hopping without any knowledge to the driver. I see it happen often in crowded service station scenarios.

2. ST tires are flat spotted from improperly adjusted brake controllers. I have seen smoke come off of ST tires when someone has had to make a rapid stop at a stop light. I have also seen it on long drown grades probably because the brake controller was a time based unit with gain set too high. This can lead to a tread separation failure at a later time.

3. ST tires are run at speeds greater than 65. I see this every time I am on the freeway. When you are going 75 mph and have 5th wheel trailers pass I can only assume many have ST tires.

I have had more than my share of LT tire failures on my pick up over the last 40 years. Several tread separations and a couple outright blowouts.

I also suspect there are LT tire failures in trailer service just do not hear about them as often as the ST tire probably out numbers the LT by a large margin in trailer use.


I can appreciate the above list of differences. However from actual experience replacing the OEM ST tires that came on my RV solved my tire issues on 2 different RV.
With ST tires I had blow outs and issues,changed to LT tires and all problems solved.
Curb hopping,flat spots,speeds greater than 65 did not have any negative effect on my LT tires.
19'Duramax w/hips, 2022 Alliance Paradigm 390MP >BD3,r,22" Blackstone
r,RV760 w/BC20,Glow Steps, Enduraplas25,Pedego
BakFlip,RVLock,Prog.50A surge ,Hughes autoformer
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time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
Unless a steel wheel specifically says 50 psi only... I would trust them at 65.

coolbreeze01
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Explorer
brotherjethro wrote:
In order to see if I can switch to the load range D Kumho tires, My wheels have to handle 65psi. I checked the wheels for the maximum pressure rating, but only the max load rating of 1900lbs was listed. Is there a way to convert that to the max pressure rating?


I think your rims will handle 65psi just fine.
2008 Ram 3500 With a Really Strong Tractor Motor...........
LB, SRW, 4X4, 6-Speed Auto, 3.73, Prodigy P3, Blue Ox Sway Pro........
2014 Sandsport 26FBSL

wilber1
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Lowsuv wrote:
The bottom line is :
We are seeing zero posts of failures of LT tires on this forum .
We have seen two dozen plus posts over the last couple of years about Maxxis tires ( made by the Chang-Shin Rubber Company of Taiwan ) of failures .

At replacement time , a switch to the best LT alternatives such as
the Kumho 857 radial size 205R14 or
the Goodyear Cargo G26 size 225/70R15 will eliminate tire failures on trailers .
Both are Load Range D and fit onto the factory steel wheels without modification .


There have been several posts on LT failures. I can remember at least a couple on Goodrich Commercial TA's and not all were recall tires.
"Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice" WSC

2011 RAM 3500 SRW
2015 Grand Design Reflection 303RLS

RCMAN46
Explorer
Explorer
Three things different between ST tires on a trailer and LT tires on a pickup.

1. St tires are often subjected to curb hopping without any knowledge to the driver. I see it happen often in crowded service station scenarios.

2. ST tires are flat spotted from improperly adjusted brake controllers. I have seen smoke come off of ST tires when someone has had to make a rapid stop at a stop light. I have also seen it on long drown grades probably because the brake controller was a time based unit with gain set too high. This can lead to a tread separation failure at a later time.

3. ST tires are run at speeds greater than 65. I see this every time I am on the freeway. When you are going 75 mph and have 5th wheel trailers pass I can only assume many have ST tires.

I have had more than my share of LT tire failures on my pick up over the last 40 years. Several tread separations and a couple outright blowouts.

I also suspect there are LT tire failures in trailer service just do not hear about them as often as the ST tire probably out numbers the LT by a large margin in trailer use.

brotherjethro
Explorer
Explorer
In order to see if I can switch to the load range D Kumho tires, My wheels have to handle 65psi. I checked the wheels for the maximum pressure rating, but only the max load rating of 1900lbs was listed. Is there a way to convert that to the max pressure rating?

LarryJM
Explorer II
Explorer II
Lowsuv wrote:
The bottom line is :
We are seeing zero posts of failures of LT tires on this forum .
We have seen two dozen plus posts over the last couple of years about Maxxis tires ( made by the Chang-Shin Rubber Company of Taiwan ) of failures .

At replacement time , a switch to the best LT alternatives such as
the Kumho 857 radial size 205R14 or
the Goodyear Cargo G26 size 225/70R15 will eliminate tire failures on trailers .
Both are Load Range D and fit onto the factory steel wheels without modification .


The equilivant LR "D" Kumho 857 in that size is a 65psi tire so the normal existing 50psi rims normally found on 14" ST OEM tires won't meet the requirements of that tire.

Larry
2001 standard box 7.3L E-350 PSD Van with 4.10 rear and 2007 Holiday Rambler Aluma-Lite 8306S Been RV'ing since 1974.
RAINKAP INSTALL////ETERNABOND INSTALL

Lowsuv
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Explorer
The bottom line is :
We are seeing zero posts of failures of LT tires on this forum .
We have seen two dozen plus posts over the last couple of years about Maxxis tires ( made by the Chang-Shin Rubber Company of Taiwan ) of failures .

At replacement time , a switch to the best LT alternatives such as
the Kumho 857 radial size 205R14 or
the Goodyear Cargo G26 size 225/70R15 will eliminate tire failures on trailers .
Both are Load Range D and fit onto the factory steel wheels without modification .

CapriRacer
Explorer II
Explorer II
Lowsuv wrote:
The OP purchased his Maxxis tires in April of 2011 .
Could it be that it is a myth that the Maxxis tires do have a cap ply ?


I have been informed that perhaps Maxxis only used cap plies on 15" and 16" tires - and this was a 14". From a technical perspective, that is entirely possible.

brotherjethro wrote:
.......There was some discussion about the construction of the Maxxis tire, whether or not it has a cap ply. I would be happy to take more closeup photos to answer this, but I'm not quite sure what it means.


No need to take additional photos. It is clear there is no cap ply.

FastEagle wrote:
After reading CapriRacers post I seriously doubt you will be able to recover anything from the Maxxix warranty. Like most other tire warranties, road hazard damages are not covered........


I wouldn't be so sure of that. It is not uncommon for tire manufacturers to accept claims of this sort. The "road hazard" aspect of this isn't as clear as it could be - as in, there isn't an obvious puncture. The fact that I (as an expert) can diagnose the cause of failure, has more to do with my years of experience than anything else.

FastEagle wrote:
.......When someone with lots of tire experience gets a hands-on look at the failed tire Iโ€™m sure they will agree with CapriRacer.......


Thanks for the vote of confidence.

FastEagle wrote:
........Iโ€™m pretty sure the nylon caps are only installed on Maxxis 15โ€ & 16โ€ ST tires.

FastEagle


Yup, that's who told me and that is quite possible.
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CapriRacer

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Me_Again
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Explorer II
Everyone hangs their hat on the "new" Nylon cap, which was added to the GY Marathon years ago! Problem is a tire type design and built for local service on utility trailers being pushed into service for our large, heavy and tall RV trailers. Of course they have problems on horse and boat trailers also, and utility trailers used at freeway speeds. Chris
2021 F150 2.7 Ecoboost - Summer Home 2017 Bighorn 3575el. Can Am Spyder RT-L Chrome, Kawasaki KRX1000. Retired and enjoying it! RIP DW 07-05-2021

coolbreeze01
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Explorer
From the Maxxis site:

"Full nylon cap available in selected sizes for improved uniformity and durability"

14" may not have the cap........
2008 Ram 3500 With a Really Strong Tractor Motor...........
LB, SRW, 4X4, 6-Speed Auto, 3.73, Prodigy P3, Blue Ox Sway Pro........
2014 Sandsport 26FBSL

parkmanaa
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Explorer
What you are seeing is the classical example of the oldest problem known to radial tires: belt separation. The adhesion gave way between the 2 steel plies under the tread. IMHO it had nothing to do with the age of these tires.
Poor quality control during manufacturing is typically to blame.

40 years in the tire business; seen it all and done most of it.

FastEagle
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After reading CapriRacers post I seriously doubt you will be able to recover anything from the Maxxix warranty. Like most other tire warranties, road hazard damages are not coverer.

When someone with lots of tire experience gets a hands-on look at the failed tire Iโ€™m sure they will agree with CapriRacer.

Iโ€™m pretty sure the nylon caps are only installed on Maxxis 15โ€ & 16โ€ ST tires.

FastEagle