The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread

[pritch272]

8/1/2010 edit: Thread renamed at the suggestion of the Professor.
Renamed from: Champion Inverter and Remote Gens Promo on CPE's web site)

3/22/2011 edit: Thread renamed ...
Renamed from: Official CPE 2000 Watt Inverter Generator Thread

3/23/2011 edit: Thread renamed at the suggestion of the Professor.
Renamed from: (Un)Official CPE 2000 Watt Inverter Generator Thread

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[byates]

professor95 wrote:

Perhaps if you want a real "Made in America" generator you should consider a Briggs and Stratton. A well established AMERICAN company that builds everything right here in the good old USA with American labor. Or, perhaps your old marque, Onan? Their Homesite models appear to be quality American generators - I am sure it is just coincidental that they look like the rest of the Chinese imports. Of course, DuroPower must be helping the American economy tremendously with their mail order clearing house in California? Or perhaps we should just limit our purchases to big box stores like Lowe's, Wal-Mart and Home Depot? Now, those are fine American institutions that believe in the phrase "Made in America".

It is best to not become victim to the old adage my Mom used to quote to me, "Be careful that you do not overlook the trees when looking at the forest."

The Onan Homesite is manufactured in China by Loncin Industries, LTD.
Incidentally, for those interested, Onan has "recalled 550 Loncin manufactured generators after 25 reports of fuel leakage. Cummins Onan recommends consumers stop using and contact Cummings Onan for a full refund plus a $100 check." See CummingsOnan website for the details of the model and serial numbers recalled.

[Wayne_Dohnal]

The Lifan ad copy says it's ok to parallel one of the generators with another Lifan of any size. If their sales take off, I wonder if it will suddenly be ok to parallel different size Hondas? Gotta love the new innovations: "the power is digitally cleaned ".

[professor95]

bikendan wrote:
there's a new competitor with Champion, Lifan. there's a thread, in the General RV forum, about their new lineup of electric-start, parallel-capable inverter generators, being sold thru Home Depot.
they look like the Magna brand i've seen on Ebay.
even the 2200w one has electric start and a pull-out handle and wheels.

They may very well be the same generator as the Magna brand. Lifan is an extremely large Chinese company that has built very dependable generators for many years. Like Jung Dong, they frequently re-brand their products for sales under different names. New EPA rules for generators that are re-branded must show their original company of origin on the product identification label. This is for emissions liability under the new EPA rules. It is often in extremely tiny print. If anyone why has a recently purchased Magna is reading perhaps they will check and let us know.

[professor95]

TXiceman wrote:

professor95 wrote:

TXiceman wrote:
I have a 6500 watt electric start made by champion under another name.
ken

Just curious, what brand is "another name"?

Disafter...handled by BottomLine Trading.

It may look like Champion, but it is not a Champion with a different name. It is no coincidence that just about all the synchronous Chinese generators in the 3,000 watt class look similar. It's a long story as to why -- one that has been shared on the 3,000 Watt Chinese Generator Info thread. Copy the copy of the copy....... A Chinese way of life 🙂

[bikendan]

there's a new competitor with Champion, Lifan. there's a thread, in the General RV forum, about their new lineup of electric-start, parallel-capable inverter generators, being sold thru Home Depot.
they look like the Magna brand i've seen on Ebay.
even the 2200w one has electric start and a pull-out handle and wheels.

[TXiceman]

professor95 wrote:

TXiceman wrote:
I have a 6500 watt electric start made by champion under another name.
ken

Just curious, what brand is "another name"?

Disafter...handled by BottomLine Trading.

[professor95]

TXiceman wrote:
I have a 6500 watt electric start made by champion under another name.
ken

Just curious, what brand is "another name"?

[professor95]

Floyd, you have become a regular correspondent on this and other threads over the past few years. During that time your knowledge and understanding of not only generators, but electricity and the principles of sound generation and abatement have grown. You and I have shared much both on and off the thread. So, I hope you will not take it as a disparaging comment when I say that it often appears to me that you suffer from an ailment we often got caught up in when I was working on a project in graduate school that required doing research - "Tunnel Vision". It is easy to filter out what you don't want and accept only what you do, rather than looking at the larger picture and weighing each piece of information equally. I believe this is exactly what JC is commenting on with his "Manufactured in the USA" analogy.

Perhaps if you want a real "Made in America" generator you should consider a Briggs and Stratton. A well established AMERICAN company that builds everything right here in the good old USA with American labor. Or, perhaps your old marque, Onan? Their Homesite models appear to be quality American generators - I am sure it is just coincidental that they look like the rest of the Chinese imports. Of course, DuroPower must be helping the American economy tremendously with their mail order clearing house in California? Or perhaps we should just limit our purchases to big box stores like Lowe's, Wal-Mart and Home Depot? Now, those are fine American institutions that believe in the phrase "Made in America".

It is best to not become victim to the old adage my Mom used to quote to me, "Be careful that you do not overlook the trees when looking at the forest."

[TXiceman]

I have a 6500 watt electric start made by champion under another name. it has powered us and then a friend after hurricane Ike and has run the ham radio Field day event fro two years now. Never missed a lick and starts right up. I keep fule stabilizer in the fuel and run it for 45 minutes under load about every 6 weeks.

I just added the tri-fuel carb conversion to it so I can run from natural gas at the house instead of keeping so much gasoline on hand.

ken

[Old___Slow]

Because of the newbie, 'Tony F', and his first post. That kinda put my thinking cap on. I like great 'American Stories' and 'some' others too. As a kid, the fish stories, taught us all a thing or two. A fish, out of water, can grow. But there is something I need help with at present.

Someone might help me with the math.

Tech Issues:

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3000w Chinese Gensets info':

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Floyd

[Old___Slow]

ol Bombero-JC wrote:
Floyd:
"Tony F" is/was a "newbie". You got caught-up in it.
He can't help being a newbie - but when he posted on the 3000w Gensets thread, he was "out of the loop" - he had not "back-tracked" on the thread far enough to learn the "history" of Champion, where *ALL* the component parts come from, etc.

~

Buy: "manufactured in the USA" -
with a majority of "things", you can try - but there's only 2 real possibilities - slim & none.


JC

JC:

My ever wise man. I don't know for sure with JC, I believe it's the same as the balance of us folks, with age should come 'wis(e)dom.' Your in there. Now, my buying a Champion. I too was once a 'newbie' At the time I was running away from the high cost of repair to the OEM genset in a previously owned MH. My thought was, why not one of these Chinese less expensive gensets? I went on the hunt. You know, via the internet. Found RV.NET and 3000w Chinese gensets info' The big story was about the Champion. It had been mentioned way back then, Champion, a American Company ownes their own factory in China. At the time, I did not research Champion (CPE). Should have done more home work. Then it was mentioned, we could order online through 'partsamerica.com' so, wow, that was a real bell ringer. I truly wanted to get as close to 'Good ol' America' as possible.

Too bad now I find real doubt in my decision to buy the full American Champion MFG story. I truly want to be American the best I way I know how . But, like you say, trying to buy 'manufactured in America' for most 'things' remains ~ slim and vary few and far between. Oh, there is a great difference in 'manufacturing' in a factory and 'assembly' on a line somewhere.

Tony, are you still around?

Pritch272, thanks for your consideration and starting the thread.

Floyd

[ol_Bombero-JC]

Floyd:
"Tony F" is/was a "newbie". You got caught-up in it.
He can't help being a newbie - but when he posted on the 3000w Gensets thread, he was "out of the loop" - he had not "back-tracked" on the thread far enough to learn the "history" of Champion, where *ALL* the component parts come from, etc.

~

Buy: "manufactured in the USA" -
with a majority of "things", you can try - but there's only 2 real possibilities - slim & none.


JC

[pritch272]

Old & Slow wrote:

pritch272 wrote:
This thread is becoming interesting.

Not sure what Floyd's agenda is, we shall see.

Snip:
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Pritch272, you were to first to post on this thread. I never thought about an agenda when I gave a response to Tony F aka AZtraveler? when he brought to our attention a statement on the Tech page of Championpowerequipment.com (CPE) "We are an American Company owning our own factory in China" Also showing the vary large building with the Champion name. So here is the deal. Before buying the Champion C46540 I wanted to get as close to good ol' America as possible. I found my way to RV.NET Tech issues and 3000w Chinese Genset info' At that time Champion was the rage and remains the same. Then came the sourse to buy. 'partsamerica.com I placed my order. The rest is history. Then questions developed that caused my doubt of just how close to good ol' Anerica did I get by buying the Champion genset. How many Americans did I help support? Then the story became larger when we heard from the CEO of CPE. Like I was helping 10,000 folks in their own 'Service network' ~ So if Champion sent 10,000 gensets for service work with one hour labor to each man in a year? Well do the math. What I do know from reports, most repair issues are done on a DIY basis with parts being sent to the owners. Well and good. But why this big American owned factory in China story, I bought into? If there was any agenda on my part, it was, I love America the beautiful, after world travel it is ever stronger. And I have been in China.

Floyd

Just now saw your response, must have missed it somehow earlier.

Your answers do seem to make sense and to explain why you asked the questions that you asked. My view of Champion was only on the surface and I was primarily interested in the quality and support of the product. I skimmed over the post and did not stop to scrutinize or otherwise attempt to validate the statements. The statement about the network of service centers implied to me that there were that many techs collectively in contracted centers that could be asked to perform repairs on the product, and not direct employees of CPE. I see a lot of service facilities that service many products from different manufacturers (home appliances, for example). Perhaps the phrasing of the statement is confusing and contradictory, specifically the "...we employ well over 10,000 Americans...". After re-reading the posts, I do see very well the basis of your your scrutiny of the statements being you were trying to validate the assertion of American involvement. Carry on, Mr Floyd, carry on.

[Old___Slow]

Hurricaner wrote:
link to prof 95 tests http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/15131645/srt/pa/pging/1/page/868.cfm

Sam

Sam,

I have my settings to double page. I see just today that Professor95 has up dated the page as of 7-2-2010. I just read on down into the post and found it vary imformative in the area of history. Champion has come to the forefront somewhat more recently. Wasn't long ago Prof' began his quest for more info' into the Chinese gensets. Seems like in the last several years all the brands are pretty close the same. Champion having some new add-on items. We look forward to what next month brings with the release of the new 2000w Champion Inverter. I notice one post mentioning a 1000w rebadged Kipor to Champion for the Canadian market. Will we see this unit come to the US market?

Floyd

[professor95]

Hurricaner wrote:
link to prof 95 tests http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/15131645/srt/pa/pging/1/page/868.cfm

Sam

The page you land on will depend on how you have your browser set-up to read the threads. I use NEWEST postings first and opt for double page view, therefore the link for my view set-up is http://forums.woodalls.com/Index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/15131645.cfm

I now use the Woodall's portal so I do not have all the advertising that appears on the right side of the page when I enter through RV.net. Other portals are Trailer Life and Motor Home.

Of course, you may have to scroll some to find the tests. Look for scope pictures.