Apr-23-2018 07:35 AM
Apr-23-2018 09:50 PM
Apr-23-2018 09:01 PM
BenK wrote:Define "wallowing" and "fully loaded". My half ton admittedly came with a very forgiving suspension. It's soft. Rides great empty. REALLY great empty. It does squat under load. But there is NO WALLOWING. It remains right where it's supposed to with no wagging or other squirming. It's simply squatting.TurnThePage wrote:
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And for the uninformed there is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE in the ride between a new 1500 and 2500.
But...that wallowing and uncontrolled feeling when fully loaded is nothing I like...my personal preference...
Yes, have driven all three 2018 half tons. Both empty and fully loaded while helping folks dial in their setups
ShinerBock wrote:The OP also asked about new Rams. Having paid attention to half ton specs for a while, I'm pretty sure the 20 inch rims are no longer the lower defining limit.TurnThePage wrote:
So, once again, if the OP is talking about the NEW Ram 1500s, as in 2019 model year, which are just becoming available, their payload has been improved. And they now also sport 6 lug axles just like everybody else.
The OP asked a question about 20 rims being the reason behind the low payload numbers of a non-2019 truck.
Apr-23-2018 07:24 PM
Durb wrote:
My son just bought an Ecodiesel crew cab Laramie. Payload is less than 1,100 pounds. Not enough.
Apr-23-2018 07:01 PM
Apr-23-2018 06:23 PM
Apr-23-2018 02:12 PM
Second Chance wrote:stein4 wrote:Grit dog wrote:
^ What Shiner said.
On another note, anyone who “won’t see the differences” in how a 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton rides and handles (any brand) probably isn’t observant enough to be towing a traielr!
My F250 is great for towing but it is not my daily driver - fun to drive but the ride is terrible
I don't know what year or trim your F250 is. Our 2013 Sierra 2500HD with the Duramax and Allison had a great ride. It was my daily driver to work, pulled a travel trailer (and then the fiver) and had 3,200 payload per the CAT scales. It was our car of choice for road trips before we replaced the Corolla. Our 2012 F350 DRW (6.7 PowerStroke) rides stiffer - but it also has 4,500 lbs. more payload. We have used it for road trips when not towing and it was quite comfortable. I would not have any qualms buying a newer 3/4-ton for use as a daily driver.
Rob
Apr-23-2018 02:01 PM
TurnThePage wrote:
So, once again, if the OP is talking about the NEW Ram 1500s, as in 2019 model year, which are just becoming available, their payload has been improved. And they now also sport 6 lug axles just like everybody else.
Apr-23-2018 01:54 PM
Apr-23-2018 01:51 PM
TurnThePage wrote:
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And for the uninformed there is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE in the ride between a new 1500 and 2500.
Apr-23-2018 01:38 PM
Apr-23-2018 12:56 PM
Apr-23-2018 12:09 PM
stein4 wrote:Grit dog wrote:
^ What Shiner said.
On another note, anyone who “won’t see the differences” in how a 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton rides and handles (any brand) probably isn’t observant enough to be towing a traielr!
My F250 is great for towing but it is not my daily driver - fun to drive but the ride is terrible
Apr-23-2018 11:52 AM
Apr-23-2018 09:15 AM
ShinerBock wrote:mr61impala wrote:Durb wrote:
My son just bought an Ecodiesel crew cab Laramie. Payload is less than 1,100 pounds. Not enough.
I have heard it's those shiny 20" rims that kill the payload, that payload increases significantly with the normal looking rims. Anyone else heard that?
For the Ram 1500's, there is a little more to it than that. The Ram 1500's are the only ones with 5 lug axles and soft linear rate coils(not to be confused with the progressive rate coils on the 2500). These are some of the main reasons why the Ram 1500's have much lower GVWR's(and therefore lower payloads) than the other big three. Add in the added weight of the Ecodiesel and you get even less payload.
A Ram 1500 5.7L or even a 3.7L will tow what you need to tow with enough payload for what you are towing. I would still recommend beefier coils or air bags though. The coils are so easy to swap out that my friend just swaps them on his 1500 for when he takes his 7k trailer down to the coast in the spring and then again when he brings it back in the fall. Also remember that a weight distribution hitch will distribute some of that hatch weight.
Apr-23-2018 09:01 AM
mtofell1 wrote:
If you're not stuck on Ram you might try looking at 1/2 tons from Ford and Chevy/GMC. For some reason Ram 1/2 tons have really low payload ratings. A buddy has a newer F150 loaded (4X4, etc.) and still has roughly 1900# payload. Another buddy has a similar Ram with 1070# payload. The trailer you describe would probably be okay with either but there's is a HUGE difference between 1100# and 1900# of payload.
Also, while I generally agree not to go with dry weights I disagree with the "go by GVWR" crowd. I don't know why this information is thrown all over as it is really bad advice. Just because a trailer CAN hold a given amount of weight doesn't mean a person WILL load it to that. CCC (difference between dry and GVWR) vary widely. I've seen them as low a 900# and as high as 4700# for different trailers. Why on earth should I go buy a truck capable of carrying and extra
4000# if I don't need it?