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2013 F-150 5.0 running rough

patperry2766
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Explorer II
2013 F-150 5.0L 2WD

Got a CEL and took it to parts store and their OBDII reader said cyl # 7 misfire. Truck seemed to run fine and it went away pretty quickly, so I just disregarded it.

About 3 weeks later another CEL light came on, but again it was dx'ed as cyl #7 misfire, went away pretty quickly, but I replaced the plugs anyway because of the mileage. Motorcraft factory replacements gapped to .51.

I went ahead and replaced the coil anyway about a week later and noticed my gas mileage starting to go down, about 1 1/2-2 MPG. Checked the air filter seemed to be fine with no excessive dirt build-up so I just blew it out with the compressor.

I had a brain fart and took throttle body off and cleaned it thinking it was the MAS. In my defense, it looked strikingly similar to the MAS on my wife's Escape that I've had to replace a couple of times. I didn't replace the gasket because I didn't have one.

I can't remember exactly when it appeared but the engine seemed to be running rough when in P or N, but if I have it in D with my foot on the brake, I can't sense it running rough, nor can I detect it running rough when driving.

Today, I gapped the plugs down to .49 and cleaned the real MAS, but still feel the rough idle. Should I replace the throttle body gasket to make sure I don't have a air leak? MPG is still down abnout 1 1/2-2 MPG.

I really don't want to have to take it to the dealership, any thoughts on what else I need to check?

I've considered pulling the old coil back on just to make sure I possibly didn't get a defective coil. All replacement parts have been factory Motorcraft replacements.

Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated
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Lessmore
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Explorer II
dodge guy wrote:
ib516 wrote:
I wonder why a modern engine only lasted 125k? Seems like with proper maintenance it should go further than that...


Probably because they follow the manuf recommended 7-10k mile oil change interval!


We have a 2015 and I change the oil around 3000 miles...like I always have. When our vehicle was new I asked a dealer mechanic if I should ignore the manufacturer's in car computer much longer recommendation for oil/filter changes and just stay with my long term oil/filter change practice of every 3000 miles.

He went all quiet...then looked slowly around to see if anyone else was within hearing distance and then told (whispered) me, if it was his new vehicle, he would change oil/filter every 3000 miles, not what the in car computer/manufacturer/dealer would suggest, which would be probably around 7-10,000 miles.

patperry2766
Explorer II
Explorer II
The conclusion:

I took it to a couple of independents who thought there could be other testing that could be done and possible repairs done, but that it wasn't going to be cheap fix any way that I went.

Later in the afternoon, I heard back from the service director at the dealership. He stood by his techs recommendation and said that it's easier for them to replace a engine with a 3yr/unlimited Ford crate engine than to tear an existing engine down and repair and have significantly less warranty, which makes sense.

However, it was what he said next that made my decision...during part of the discussion and while not making a direct statement of fact, but rather kinda like the "family relative that NOBODY talks about because their the black sheep of the family", there is a somewhat known problem with this engine, this happens more often than people are aware and he had another truck in the shop as we spoke with the exact cyl #7 misfire diagnosis.

I had read several people talking about having problems with cyl #8 as well, and part of my diagnosis was that cyl #4 was starting to have misfires as well. In my mind, with all three of those cylinders being on the back of the block, there is a design problem and that no mater what repair I make now, there's no reassurances that the problem won't occur again in the future.

From having been in the car business a while back, I know that no matter how much money I put in repairs, it's still a 6 year old truck with 125K miles and needing a new set of tires, so the truck is worth what it is. I figured the money I was gonna spend on tires/repairs plus having a clear title would go a long way toward a new truck, so I went shopping.

I've got a buddy whose a used car manager at a Dodge store, and he gave me a fair offer to trade knowing all the problems, plus they were discounting the remaining 2018's by about $12K off sticker, so I pulled the trigger and traded for 3/4T diesel 4x4 crew cab.

So...I'll never know how the story unfolds with my old truck.
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twichers
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Please come back at let us know what you learn... always being left hanging …..

parker_rowe
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Explorer
Replacing the whole long block to the tune of $11K because they suspect a bad valve on one cylinder? Wow.

I'm guessing you'll have better luck with other shop.

I'd be interested to see the actual compression test numbers.
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FishOnOne
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ib516 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
ib516 wrote:
I wonder why a modern engine only lasted 125k? Seems like with proper maintenance it should go further than that...


I wonder why you didn't ask that same question to the guy who's engine ate it's camshaft recently. If I recall correctly it had less than 10k miles so that made it a modern engine as well.

I'm not on the forums every day, must have missed that thread. However, being that you pointed it out, I'm going to guess it was a Ram of some sort? :W


Yeah I'm pretty certain you weren't on this forum for that particular week or two. :W
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ib516
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Explorer II
FishOnOne wrote:
ib516 wrote:
I wonder why a modern engine only lasted 125k? Seems like with proper maintenance it should go further than that...


I wonder why you didn't ask that same question to the guy who's engine ate it's camshaft recently. If I recall correctly it had less than 10k miles so that made it a modern engine as well.

I'm not on the forums every day, must have missed that thread. However, being that you pointed it out, I'm going to guess it was a Ram of some sort? :W
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patperry2766
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Explorer II
Going to talk to another placed tomorrow. I'm not trusting an incomplete diagnosis and openly spending the bucks blindly. I may ultimately need a new engine, but I want a more justification other than a "suspected" value issue.

I could probably handle the rough idle for a while longer knowing it wouldn't grenade the engine, but the reduced MPG's are gonna take a bigger chunk out of the budget as much driving as I do
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Grit_dog
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turbojimmy wrote:


Yeah an 8% variation isn't enough to worry about. 10% is a good rule of thumb but I've seen worse variations in good running engines.

My money is still on fuel delivery. Just sayin...


Agree. While that may be the issue causing it to run rough, it may run forever like that. Only 3 causes of low compression I can think of.
Rings, valves or a head gasket. With the latter usually being 100% loss of compression.

I'd do more troubleshooting before tearing it down for sure.
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patperry2766
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Explorer II
dodge guy wrote:
ib516 wrote:
I wonder why a modern engine only lasted 125k? Seems like with proper maintenance it should go further than that...


Probably because they follow the manuf recommended 7-10k mile oil change interval!


I changed mine at 5K
Courage is the feeling you have right before you fully understand the situation

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
ib516 wrote:
I wonder why a modern engine only lasted 125k? Seems like with proper maintenance it should go further than that...


I wonder why you didn't ask that same question to the guy who's engine ate it's camshaft recently. If I recall correctly it had less than 10k miles so that made it a modern engine as well.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

dodge_guy
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Explorer II
ib516 wrote:
I wonder why a modern engine only lasted 125k? Seems like with proper maintenance it should go further than that...


Probably because they follow the manuf recommended 7-10k mile oil change interval!
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ib516
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I wonder why a modern engine only lasted 125k? Seems like with proper maintenance it should go further than that...
Prev: 2010 Cougar 322QBS (junk)
02 Dodge 2500 4x4 5.9L CTD 3.55
07 Dodge 3500 4x4 SRW Mega 5.9L CTD 3.73
14 Ram 2500 4x4 Crew 6.4L Hemi 4.10
06 Chevy 1500 4x4 E-Cab 3.73 5.3L
07 Dodge 1500 5.7L Hemi 3.55 / 2010 Jayco 17z
All above are sold, no longer own an RV

patperry2766
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If ultimately it requires rebuilding the heads, it wouldn't be too much more of a stretch to do the full Monte and go for a complete engine rebuild with 125K miles on it. How much could I hot rod the engine before I'd have to worry about reprogramming the computer while making sure it will pass emission testing in Texas?
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dodge_guy
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First thing to do is swap cylinder 7 and 4 plugs with 2 other cylinders. If it goes with the plugs then it’s the plugs. If it stays then swap the coils with the same cylinders. If it stays then it’s going to either be a bad injector or a mechanical issue. 1 hours time will get the proper answers. Some techs just don’t know how to diagnose something so simple because they’ve been taught to go with the worst case scenario!
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