3/4 Ton vs 1 Ton

[FishOnOne]

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[Me_Again]

FishOnOne wrote:


Why is the 3500 GAWR 500lbs greater?

Is the 3500 GVWR 11,300 lbs limited on paper just like the 2500?

As you know the manufacturer sets the GAWR to the weakest link. In the case of the difference between the RAM 3500 and 2500 RGAWR it is most likely the rear springs. Leaf/3500 rear air system vs Coil/2500 lesser rear air system.

[Me_Again]

The 4x4 CC 2015 RAM

SB 11,700 GVWR,
LB 12,300 GVWR.

Both have 6K front and 7K rear GAWR.

SB is rated to a 17,050 5th wheel
LB is rated to a 16,860 5th wheel.

The GCWR is 25,300 for both.

Base weigth
SB is 7775
LB is 7972

Chris

[rhagfo]

ShinerBock wrote:
Can someone explain this to me?

2017 F350
Front GAWR: 5,600
Rear GAWR: 6,340
Combined GAWR: 11,940
GVWR: 11,500





My 2014 2500
Front GAWR: 6,000
Rear GAWR: 6,500
Combined GAWR: 12,500
GVWR: 10,000

Add to that you can get a F350 with a 10,000 GVWR!

[ShinerBock]

Can someone explain this to me?

2017 F350
Front GAWR: 5,600
Rear GAWR: 6,340
Combined GAWR: 11,940
GVWR: 11,500





My 2014 2500
Front GAWR: 6,000
Rear GAWR: 6,500
Combined GAWR: 12,500
GVWR: 10,000

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
2014 Ram 3500
Front GAWR: 6,000
Rear GAWR: 7,000
Combined GAWR: 13,000
GVWR: 11,300
Tow rating: 17,000

My 2014 2500
Front GAWR: 6,000
Rear GAWR: 6,500
Combined GAWR: 12,500
GVWR: 10,000
Tow rating 17,000

Only 500 lbs separate their combined GAWR yet the 2500s GVWR is 1,300 less due to class 2b trucks having a max GVWR of 10k. This is why I am not afraid to go over my 10k GVWR as long as I am under my GAWR. Because I know the reason is due to regulations and not actual truck carrying capacity. If I believed the 10k GVWR was due to the trucks actual carrying capacity then I would get a 1 ton.

Why is the 3500 GAWR 500lbs greater?

Is the 3500 GVWR 11,300 lbs limited on paper just like the 2500?

Maybe. Although, 7,000 rear GAWR +/- a few hundred is pretty standard for a 1 ton SRW. Well, except for some new F350s. I seen some stickers rated at 6,340 in the rear and 5,600 in the front (11,940 combined) on the 17s and 18s that I had a chance to see the door sticker on, and they still had an 11,500 GVWR.

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:
2014 Ram 3500
Front GAWR: 6,000
Rear GAWR: 7,000
Combined GAWR: 13,000
GVWR: 11,300
Tow rating: 17,000

My 2014 2500
Front GAWR: 6,000
Rear GAWR: 6,500
Combined GAWR: 12,500
GVWR: 10,000
Tow rating 17,000

Only 500 lbs separate their combined GAWR yet the 2500s GVWR is 1,300 less due to class 2b trucks having a max GVWR of 10k. This is why I am not afraid to go over my 10k GVWR as long as I am under my GAWR. Because I know the reason is due to regulations and not actual truck carrying capacity. If I believed the 10k GVWR was due to the trucks actual carrying capacity then I would get a 1 ton.

Why is the 3500 GAWR 500lbs greater?

Is the 3500 GVWR 11,300 lbs limited on paper just like the 2500?

[FishOnOne]

rhagfo wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Me Again wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Me Again wrote:

CampingN.C. wrote:
Just speaking on ride quality alone, my new dually rides better than my 15 2500 with coils did.

And for the weight po-po...I towed a 42ft toyhauler just fine with a 3000lb pin weight on a 2500.

Sure you did, however you were most likely over the 6500 RGAWR of the 2500.

A 3k pin weight should not put a Ram 2500 diesel with a rear GAWR of 6500 over its rating. Even though the truck is almost 8k, a little less than 3k is in the rear so adding another 3k would give you a little over 500 to spare. Of course adding passengers would take away from that 500, but a lot of that weight will go towards the front axles that is rated at 6k GAWR on the diesels.

I am at 3760 on rear axle ready to tow. That is Demco 6099 picture frame and B&W manual slider(270 lbs), no tail gate, V-Box in back of bed with two sets of golf clubs, front box full of tools, Honda EU2000i, 6 gals of diesel, two gallons of gas. Stuff just adds up.

My pin weight is around 3K which is light for a 16K 39'4" 5er. Dry weight on this model in 2435 which 18+% of dry weight.

Looks like you could have used a LWB truck, but then again would loose some load carrying capacity.

I believe that the LB SRW has more payload than the SB by about 400# if I remember correctly. Had the SB/LB with Chris before he bought his current TV.

Interesting...

[ShinerBock]

2014 Ram 3500
Front GAWR: 6,000
Rear GAWR: 7,000
Combined GAWR: 13,000
GVWR: 11,300
Tow rating: 17,000

My 2014 2500
Front GAWR: 6,000
Rear GAWR: 6,500
Combined GAWR: 12,500
GVWR: 10,000
Tow rating 17,000

Only 500 lbs separate their combined GAWR yet the 2500s GVWR is 1,300 less due to class 2b trucks having a max GVWR of 10k. This is why I am not afraid to go over my 10k GVWR as long as I am under my GAWR. Because I know the reason is due to regulations and not actual truck carrying capacity. If I believed the 10k GVWR was due to the trucks actual carrying capacity then I would get a 1 ton.

[rhagfo]

FishOnOne wrote:

Me Again wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Me Again wrote:

CampingN.C. wrote:
Just speaking on ride quality alone, my new dually rides better than my 15 2500 with coils did.

And for the weight po-po...I towed a 42ft toyhauler just fine with a 3000lb pin weight on a 2500.

Sure you did, however you were most likely over the 6500 RGAWR of the 2500.

A 3k pin weight should not put a Ram 2500 diesel with a rear GAWR of 6500 over its rating. Even though the truck is almost 8k, a little less than 3k is in the rear so adding another 3k would give you a little over 500 to spare. Of course adding passengers would take away from that 500, but a lot of that weight will go towards the front axles that is rated at 6k GAWR on the diesels.

I am at 3760 on rear axle ready to tow. That is Demco 6099 picture frame and B&W manual slider(270 lbs), no tail gate, V-Box in back of bed with two sets of golf clubs, front box full of tools, Honda EU2000i, 6 gals of diesel, two gallons of gas. Stuff just adds up.

My pin weight is around 3K which is light for a 16K 39'4" 5er. Dry weight on this model in 2435 which 18+% of dry weight.

Looks like you could have used a LWB truck, but then again would loose some load carrying capacity.

I believe that the LB SRW has more payload than the SB by about 400# if I remember correctly. Had the SB/LB with Chris before he bought his current TV.

[ShinerBock]

Me Again wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Me Again wrote:

CampingN.C. wrote:
Just speaking on ride quality alone, my new dually rides better than my 15 2500 with coils did.

And for the weight po-po...I towed a 42ft toyhauler just fine with a 3000lb pin weight on a 2500.

Sure you did, however you were most likely over the 6500 RGAWR of the 2500.

A 3k pin weight should not put a Ram 2500 diesel with a rear GAWR of 6500 over its rating. Even though the truck is almost 8k, a little less than 3k is in the rear so adding another 3k would give you a little over 500 to spare. Of course adding passengers would take away from that 500, but a lot of that weight will go towards the front axles that is rated at 6k GAWR on the diesels.

I am at 3760 on rear axle ready to tow. That is Demco 6099 picture frame and B&W manual slider(270 lbs), no tail gate, V-Box in back of bed with two sets of golf clubs, front box full of tools, Honda EU2000i, 6 gals of diesel, two gallons of gas. Stuff just adds up.

My pin weight is around 3K which is light for a 16K 39'4" 5er. Dry weight on this model in 2435 which 18+% of dry weight.

You are applying what you do with your truck to the needs/wants of others. Not everybody uses their truck for the same purpose or with the same setup. If I was using your set up, then yes I would get a 1 ton. However, I don't like having toolboxes like that in the back and put most of the stuff you stated in the front compartment of my 5er.

Between hauling my 5ver, hauling my JD 4020 between properties, hauling my GN cattle trailer, my GN 30' flatbed, hauling 40+ bags of protein and corn to the deer lease, and various other trailers I have never needed more than 3k in the rear which I am more than comfortable loading in my 2500. About ten years ago I would agree with you that a 1 ton is needed for how I use my truck, but not with modern 3/4 tons especially since my old 1 (which had a GVWR below 10k) has the same specs as my current 3/4 ton.

I understand that not everyone has the same needs or uses their truck the same so I am not going to apply my needs to other people's trucks. I am just glad to have the option of not getting a 1 ton and having to pay double the registration I do today.

[blt2ski]

Transamz9,
Hard to ddisagree on your points. Reality is, most 25 series trucks are more capable than a dually from pre 2000 or so.
I've run down the road in the 10-12k range with the 2000. That's about max, based on graw, and front ability. The new ones do have another 2000 lbs of axle capacity. They still weigh more. Sit higher etc. For a lot of us, that 8600-9000 lb truck like the 2000 I drive is nice. My 05 max dually CC had 400 more lbs of payload per door sticker....it would carry a lot more. I could easily put 7-8000 in the bed.

Marty

[Me_Again]

FishOnOne wrote:


Looks like you could have used a LWB truck, but then again would loose some load carrying capacity.

LWB was long for the garage at the time, and would not fit in the Az park model car port and leave room to walk around the front of the truck. DW did not want a dually or long box.

[transamz9]

blt2ski wrote:
4x
Remember you have a crew cab. My 2500 with a rev cab and SB8 has 3800 lbs of payload. Granted a really base stripped model.....
If folks did not ask for floor blown leather etc interiors, one would have more payload....
My 96 SW K3500 had just shy of 3000 with a nice mid trim cloth interior, 6.5TD and long bed. My tare was 6500 lbs or so. Today's rigs are at minimum 1000 lbs heavier. I can't find a base rev cab 2500 that weighs less than 5800 lbs. Mine is 4800 lbs. We have more GVW, but worst payload!

Marty

We may have worse payload buy the numbers but capability is light years ahead. If you say you have found a new 2500 that weighs 5800 then I would have no problem loading the truck to 11,000#. 5200# on your old truck that weighs 4800 would have a hard time handling 5200# running hwy and interstate speeds comfortably.

[FishOnOne]

Me Again wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Me Again wrote:

CampingN.C. wrote:
Just speaking on ride quality alone, my new dually rides better than my 15 2500 with coils did.

And for the weight po-po...I towed a 42ft toyhauler just fine with a 3000lb pin weight on a 2500.

Sure you did, however you were most likely over the 6500 RGAWR of the 2500.

A 3k pin weight should not put a Ram 2500 diesel with a rear GAWR of 6500 over its rating. Even though the truck is almost 8k, a little less than 3k is in the rear so adding another 3k would give you a little over 500 to spare. Of course adding passengers would take away from that 500, but a lot of that weight will go towards the front axles that is rated at 6k GAWR on the diesels.

I am at 3760 on rear axle ready to tow. That is Demco 6099 picture frame and B&W manual slider(270 lbs), no tail gate, V-Box in back of bed with two sets of golf clubs, front box full of tools, Honda EU2000i, 6 gals of diesel, two gallons of gas. Stuff just adds up.

My pin weight is around 3K which is light for a 16K 39'4" 5er. Dry weight on this model in 2435 which 18+% of dry weight.

Looks like you could have used a LWB truck, but then again would loose some load carrying capacity.