Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Madhatter1]

Rvndave has a good point. For years I bought diesel for this very reason (and long engine life). The fuel economy is not just about $. I can leave St Pete FL full, fuel at south GA and middle of VA and make it to NY or MA. Fuel stops cost time. I used to drive 60K every year in my business. Now I bought 1 year ago a big toy hauler (pulled about 8-9K so far) and now I also get the heavy pulling power benifit. I now drive 40K business unloaded and 9-10K very loaded. There is no way a BB gas can do what I want. As I have said before the choice is up to the individual needs. I got what I need but you get what you need. 8.1 does not mind the extra fuel stops because with 12 people someone always gotta go pee. Note to 8.1, if your passengers pay for your fuel then you are transporting for compensation (illegal commercial operation). You will find this out if you ever have an injury and someone gets a lawyer. Don't take my word, check this out yourself. This may draw another nutty response.

[Jarlaxle]

8.1 Van wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
...it's fun to show how the cost advantage of a diesel went down the tubes when they doubled the cost of the diesel option since I purchaed my 2000 7.3 PSD and 2003 6.0 PSD and that diesel is now up to 85% more than gas at some stations.:B

The problem with that argument is many of us have excellent diesel tow vehicles who have realized a significant savings over the life of our trucks. It took me about 3½ years of fuel savings to pay for my diesel option and I now have a truck worth significantly more than the equivalent big block for trade-in or sale value. Even with the current cost of diesel fuel, it would be cheaper for me to drive this truck than the big block gasser I had previously and the gasser didn't do the job as well when towing heavy. Maybe if you put some variation to your argument, rather than spew the same tired rhetoric, you wouldn't look so much like a desperate troll.

But he IS desperate troll. I truly think he might be Supercharged posting under a different screen name.

Humor me again and say I should have kept my 2003 6.0 PSD Excursion AFTER the 5 year warranty ran out to carry 9-12 people and their luggage on long vacation trips to Florida etc. I know YOU think very highly of the 6.0 PSD.:B

Where have I said that? I will bet you $1,000,000,000 a day for 1,000,000,000 days at 1,000,000,000:1 odds you cannot show me anywhere I said that.

It's not my fault you bought the modern equivilant to the 350 Olds...you have to stop projecting your own shortcomings on others, and simply accept the fact you're just not too smart.

[bluenote]

I'm amused by how 8.1 Van's postings have come full circle. When he posted as PSDExcursion, he argued vehemently on the benefits of diesel versus gas, even within this very thread. Now, he argues vehemently the other way around. Of course, he does give HIS rationale for the change, albeit while often disregarding any other rationale given by others. Back on page 36, he got called a jerk for his arguments when on the pro-diesel side.....hmmmmm, full circle?

[Rvndave]

I do not understand why so many think the diesel is just for towing, only needed when large weights are being towed. A large part of the benefit of my diesel is running solo and getting 22 MPG in a dually.

[blt2ski]

Ok folks, 8.1 and sc are two different animals, as are jaraxle and bluenote!

In the end, what rig we use, is what works best for me vs you vs whomever! Which motor is the same way, be it a BB or SB gas vs a diesel.

If I did not need a pickup for work, I would have had a van as 8.1 did to haul my family with me TT around. But, why have two rigs, when one will do the job, and be cheaper in the end!

As some have said and quoted, will a BB gas and TD or for that matter a SB gas move a 10-12K trailer? yes they all will move a trailer of that size. I will not go into the how fast, up a what % grade, at what elevation etc. As which will do better, go faster etc has been well proven, played out etc by myself, others, and from tests here and there and everywhere.

For all of us, it will cone down to dollars and cents, as to which one will be best for us. I use a TD for my 1 ton dually for work etc, at 25K miles a yr, it is cheaper to run, even with the flip in diesel cost vs when this thread was started. On the other hand, I also have a SB gas rig, that gets driven 5-7000 miles a yr, it will pull my 12K equipment trailer just fine. No it is not as fast etc. But it will get the job done if one of the other rigs breaks down on the side of the freeway as my dumptruck did.

In the end, it really does not matter what rig you have, as long as it works for YOU! if it does not, then it is the wrong rig! pure plain and simple.

I do admit, that some folks way of supporting there why and where for, gotta wonder about there mentality!

Marty

[8_1_Van]

bluenote wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
Humor me again and say I should have kept my 2003 6.0 PSD Excursion AFTER the 5 year warranty ran out to carry 9-12 people and their luggage on long vacation trips to Florida etc. I know YOU think very highly of the 6.0 PSD.:B

First of all, I never said anything to you about keeping your Excursion. Second of all, I've never said anything about thinking highly of the 6.0L PSD. Finally, it looks like you are confused who you are responding to.

As far as humoring you....If you refuse to get a new routine, I refuse to humor your one track mind.

Is your name Jarlaxle ? :R

[bluenote]

8.1 Van wrote:
Humor me again and say I should have kept my 2003 6.0 PSD Excursion AFTER the 5 year warranty ran out to carry 9-12 people and their luggage on long vacation trips to Florida etc. I know YOU think very highly of the 6.0 PSD.:B

First of all, I never said anything to you about keeping your Excursion. Second of all, I've never said anything about thinking highly of the 6.0L PSD. Finally, it looks like you are confused who you are responding to.

As far as humoring you....If you refuse to get a new routine, I refuse to humor your one track mind.

[Ace_]

You lookin' at me...

[TennesseeBob]

OK A taxi driver :B

[8_1_Van]

TennesseeBob wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:

TennesseeBob wrote:
8.1 So, Do you have a commercial license to carry that many people out of state ?

Show me a link to were you need a commercial licence to carry up to 12 people on vacation in a passenger van out of state.

I thought you was a bus driver for payment of gas

Does this look like a bus to you. I pay the same toll as cars at all toll booths.

[TennesseeBob]

8.1 Van wrote:

TennesseeBob wrote:
8.1 So, Do you have a commercial license to carry that many people out of state ?

Show me a link to were you need a commercial licence to carry up to 12 people on vacation in a passenger van out of state.

I thought you was a bus driver for payment of gas

[8_1_Van]

woodrow wrote:
You tow people 8.1?

Are you still slapping ?

[8_1_Van]

TennesseeBob wrote:
8.1 So, Do you have a commercial license to carry that many people out of state ?

Show me a link to were you need a commercial licence to carry up to 12 people on vacation in a passenger van out of state.

[TennesseeBob]

8.1 So, Do you have a commercial license to carry that many people out of state ?

[woodrow]

You tow people 8.1?