Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Rvndave]

If it doesn't bother you to buy extra fuel, and have less power, get the gas engine.

[Ace_]

I wasn't trolling, I was trying to make a point about the arguments about what horsepower and torque are and how they apply, but the point was vague and you probably missed it.

[Hannibal]

Like a scene right out of Blazing Saddles! I think the diesel guys have it.:C
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FSOlkh0b0&feature=related

[blt2ski]

You know Bert,

You should learn to keep them pharts to yourself!:B then you could use them to power your dmax instead of Ace powering his V10!

[BertP]

You forget, thought, Marty, that many diesel truck drivers still have more "gas" to add to a fire than diesel 🙂

Bert

[blt2ski]

Meanwhile, some are adding "oil" to the fire.....altho not as flammable as "gas"!

[GACamper]

Rvndave wrote:

Ace! wrote:
After reading most of this I guess it all boils down to gas is better than diesel, for all applications, in all vehicles? 😉

LOL what a troll. Talk about adding fuel to the fire.

He is not adding "FUEL" to the fire. He is adding "GAS" to the fire.:p

[Rvndave]

Ace! wrote:
After reading most of this I guess it all boils down to gas is better than diesel, for all applications, in all vehicles? 😉

LOL what a troll. Talk about adding fuel to the fire.

[Hannibal]

Real trucks don't have car engines either.:B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_kjaxIDzc

[GACamper]

Just my 2 cents...:B

[SRockwood]

Tarantula wrote:
SRockhead: My mistake, Rockwood:

Now, now, no need to act like a 3rd grader and modify another person's name.

Tarantula wrote:
What was the purpose of your post? My comments on the torque of the John Deere were related to torque only. I already KNOW the horsepower. You can get six HP ratings on the same engine. It is a 2 cylinder with 302.9 cubic inch displacement. Governed RPM is 1125 (eleven hundred twenty five). 5.5" bore X 6.5" stroke. Running on gasoline: 44.7 drawbar HP; 48.7 PTO (belt) HP. On Distillate fuel (similar to stove oil) 32.7 drawbar, 35.7 belt. On LPG 45.9 Drawbar HP, 50.3 belt HP. The one in the pull was running on gasoline. There was a little smoke with distillate fuel, and there is no LPG tank on it, Now maybe you can "reverse engineer" your formula and figure out how much torque is lifing those front wheels off the ground at near idle RPM. And those old "two poppers" would pull down to the last Revolution.

I posted the formula so you could figure out the horsepower at whatever rpm it is you're talking about and not make false statements. If you don't want to learn something, I can't make you, but it only furthers my belief that your statement towards Bertp should've really been turned back towards yourself.

That is all. I'm pretty sure we're WAY off topic now.

[Ace_]

After reading most of this I guess it all boils down to gas is better than diesel, for all applications, in all vehicles? 😉

[Tarantula]

SRockhead: My mistake, Rockwood: What was the purpose of your post? My comments on the torque of the John Deere were related to torque only. I already KNOW the horsepower. You can get six HP ratings on the same engine. It is a 2 cylinder with 302.9 cubic inch displacement. Governed RPM is 1125 (eleven hundred twenty five). 5.5" bore X 6.5" stroke. Running on gasoline: 44.7 drawbar HP; 48.7 PTO (belt) HP. On Distillate fuel (similar to stove oil) 32.7 drawbar, 35.7 belt. On LPG 45.9 Drawbar HP, 50.3 belt HP. The one in the pull was running on gasoline. There was a little smoke with distillate fuel, and there is no LPG tank on it, Now maybe you can "reverse engineer" your formula and figure out how much torque is lifing those front wheels off the ground at near idle RPM. And those old "two poppers" would pull down to the last Revolution.

[SRockwood]

Tarantula wrote:
:E Bertp's Credo: My mind is made up; Don't confuse me with facts!!!:S

Actually, you're the one employing this credo. Last I checked, idle speed was still some rpm, so you would use this simple formula:

Torque x RPM / 5250 = HP.

Simply put: if you're turning any RPM and creating torque, you're also creating HP. The two numbers are inseperable. So, 1000 lb-ft of torque @ 1000 rpm = 190HP.

The only time you would not be creating horsepower is if you weren't actually moving anything. A simple example of this (as it would appear you need) would be pushing with 5 lbs of force on a block that takes 1000lbs to move. 5lbs of force over 0.0 feet = 0.0 Horsies. Or 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 lb-ft @ 0 rpm = 0 horsepower.

No spinny, no horsies, no wheelie, not funny.

Go ahead, play with the formula, it's quite simple. 😄

Either way, in regards to the topic at hand: I've changed my mind and am going diesel with the next truck... 😄

[blt2ski]

OUCH......

Somtin jus hit me thar back of me head! wonder what that were? hmmmmmm mebe the worl is phlat affer all.

in the mean time, someone will come up with a real disCUSSion to put this er discusson bak on tac!