Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[The_Mad_Norsky]

Double posting.

Sorry. 😮

[The_Mad_Norsky]

Jarlaxle wrote:

it makes no difference if you are pulling a 15,000# trailer. You have to have a diesel.

No, that is wrong.

I also agree that one does not necessarily need a diesel.

However, other factors do come into consideration. Performance, fuel economy, among others, which may in fact make a diesel a much better choice here.

But there are really no "absolutes". If any particular operator is happy with how their tow rig operates, irregardless of engine style, then far be it for us to say that they need the opposite type of engine.

[bkirkpatrick]

Jarlaxle wrote:

it makes no difference if you are pulling a 15,000# trailer. You have to have a diesel.

No, that is wrong.

You are correct. A bored out V-10 with a turbo or blower and 10 gallon radiator will also work.

[RUFFSTUFF]

paul1160 wrote:
I have had both (pulled a 9,000 lb travel trailer) and the diesel pulls much better. I currently have a 2008 Dodge with the 6.7 Cummins that I bought new, given the emission system issues these trucks have I am seriously considering a gas truck. I only pull my trailer 15 - 20 times a year and am beginning to feel like the reliability and maint. cost are not worth it. But it pulls like a beast and gas can not even come close.

You might have other options with your truck...

[RUFFSTUFF]

Jarlaxle wrote:

it makes no difference if you are pulling a 15,000# trailer. You have to have a diesel.

No, that is wrong.

Sounds good to me.

[Jarlaxle]

it makes no difference if you are pulling a 15,000# trailer. You have to have a diesel.

No, that is wrong.

[JnJnKatiebug]

We currently have a MH which works well for as we move around alot. We still work fulltime but are thinking when we retire we may want to change to a 5th wheel as we will probably stay in one place for up to three months at a time. I am thinking if we go with a trailer of 10,000# or more it will have to be a diesel no matter what the cost. I worked up the chart below to show what the fuel savings would be in 50,000 miles and 75,000 miles based on 33% better fuel economy. Also used $0.50 and $0.75 difference in price. It would take a long time to make up the difference in the upfront cost and upkeep of a diesel. But, as I said, it makes no difference if you are pulling a 15,000# trailer. You have to have a diesel.

(Can't get the chart to post without being fuzzy)Anyway, if I lived longed enough to put 100,000 miles on and all I had to do was regular oil changes and tires I would make up the $10,000 in added up front cost.

[paul1160]

I have had both (pulled a 9,000 lb travel trailer) and the diesel pulls much better. I currently have a 2008 Dodge with the 6.7 Cummins that I bought new, given the emission system issues these trucks have I am seriously considering a gas truck. I only pull my trailer 15 - 20 times a year and am beginning to feel like the reliability and maint. cost are not worth it. But it pulls like a beast and gas can not even come close.

[moose308]

get the diesel-that's what they are for

[dubdub07]

DSteiner51 wrote:

dubdub07 wrote:
18%. That's ridiculous. The steepest highway in America is 10% and I believe it is in Wyoming. An 18% driveway doesn't count.

Interstates are mostly 6 or 7% slope but... News Flash! Not all highways are interstate! There are some roads in Pa mountains that are well over 20% slope. I've driven some of them with the truck but haven't tried pulling the camper up them. Some day I may just for bragging rights!;)

And how many miles is this 20% grade?

[Hannibal]

youngtravelers wrote:
however, adding additional 275Hp, 300 lbs tq, makes towing a lot easier, probly less wear and tear on the drivetrain,

Seriously?

[spud57]

youngtravelers wrote:
towing/ cargo CAPACITY Gas vs. Diesel, almost no comparison. Diesel wins. Torque. Diesel, Fuel mileage towing- Diesel. power upgrades (within reason of course) probly equal. A previous poster asked why someone with a diesel will add a chip, or programmer? A: same reason as a gas truck, more power, and torque, or mileage. I know that my 07 cummins 350Hp/ 600 tq stock is enough. however, adding additional 275Hp, 300 lbs tq, makes towing a lot easier, probly less wear and tear on the drivetrain, less shifting, and I dont worry about big grades, or not being able to pass someone if I need to. I had a gas truck to tow with, it just is not the same as my diesel. Just my .02
I currently also tow a 51' triple axle gooseneck, good for 24K, again, no problems. I dont recomend doing this with a gas truck.

900ft/lb torque. Nice!!! Seriously.

Curious, did you upgrade your transmission or are you waiting for it to blow up from that much torque.;)

[youngtravelers]

towing/ cargo CAPACITY Gas vs. Diesel, almost no comparison. Diesel wins. Torque. Diesel, Fuel mileage towing- Diesel. power upgrades (within reason of course) probly equal. A previous poster asked why someone with a diesel will add a chip, or programmer? A: same reason as a gas truck, more power, and torque, or mileage. I know that my 07 cummins 350Hp/ 600 tq stock is enough. however, adding additional 275Hp, 300 lbs tq, makes towing a lot easier, probly less wear and tear on the drivetrain, less shifting, and I dont worry about big grades, or not being able to pass someone if I need to. I had a gas truck to tow with, it just is not the same as my diesel. Just my .02
I currently also tow a 51' triple axle gooseneck, good for 24K, again, no problems. I dont recomend doing this with a gas truck.

[carpetguy2]

I bought my diesel just because of the poor gas mileage on my gasser.
Same RV went up more than 5 mpg towing than the gasser.Even with my lift and bigger tires.
I do have EFI LIVE now and it is even better than any can tuner or chip.
The power the torque is unbelievable.
Diesel do cost a lot more to repair.and a lot more maintience.
Love to have a gasser around town but the diesel to do all my towing.

[DSteiner51]

dubdub07 wrote:
18%. That's ridiculous. The steepest highway in America is 10% and I believe it is in Wyoming. An 18% driveway doesn't count.

Interstates are mostly 6 or 7% slope but... News Flash! Not all highways are interstate! There are some roads in Pa mountains that are well over 20% slope. I've driven some of them with the truck but haven't tried pulling the camper up them. Some day I may just for bragging rights!;)