Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[rhagfo]

rerod wrote:
Funny, because I was on the fence with ford diesels for a while because ford was the only choice for powerful towing Vans. I lost a sweet deal on a quigley e350 6.0 because I got cold feet after numerous warnings on diesel forums not to buy it.

Then I found a E350 with a 1st gen cummins 5 speed in it. I haven't used it to pull yet, but cant wait.

Sweet van, that is a nice shoehorn fit!

[rerod]

Funny, because I was on the fence with ford diesels for a while because ford was the only choice for powerful towing Vans. I lost a sweet deal on a quigley e350 6.0 because I got cold feet after numerous warnings on diesel forums not to buy it.

Then I found a E350 with a 1st gen cummins 5 speed in it. I haven't used it to pull yet, but cant wait.

[jevanb]

transamz9 wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

There's a little more to changing diesel injectors than righty tighty, lefty loosie. Anyone who really does do their own work would know this.

No, really there is not. You unbolt what you need to get to them and you bolt back on what you take off, it's that simple. I do all my own work and then some. As far as the electric connections go, they will only plug back the same way.

So really there is not yet really there is.:S

What does this simple task take, 20-30 minutes?:h

The last time I looked under the hood of a Dmax or PSD, there was plenty to remove just to get to the injectors.

Really? This is silly. That's like saying that someone would have to pay someone to mow their yard because the have 3 acres to mow instead of a half acre. If you can remove 1 part you can remove a thousand bolts. The D-max that I did was the first one I have ever done and it took me right at 12 hours. That was taking my time and listening to a ball game and doing some stuff on and off for the DW. The biggest problem people have is they raise the hood and become overwhelmed at what they see. The air filter box on a '03 duramax is literally held in the truck with one (1) hose clamp.

I'm not saying people should tackle pulling the motor. I'm just stating that people could do more than they thing if they just tried a little bit. The PS 6.0 injector job is actually easier just mor stuff to take off.

Passenger side injectors on an 2003 duramax done and getting ready to start putting back together. Things that were removed: air filter box and tube, air tube to the inner cooler, fuel filter housing, FICM (fuel injection control module) 4 high pressure fuel lines, two piece valve cover.

I did a set with a buddy on his 01, what a PITA but when we also did a LBZ it was a 1hr job for a single, got to like the redesign just a holddown clamp and yank. took longer to get ready then the actual job. but you need the flow specs loaded into the ECM for them to work right

[64thunderbolt]

transamz9 wrote:

64thunderbolt wrote:
Power is not an issue per my sig. I have guages and a CTS monitor as well as water inj. I have never had an issue with coolant temps and the tunes and water take care of the egt's

I was JK with the power thing but stating your vintage motor likes crank sensors.

No offense taken, LOL. My VINTAGE powerstroke has only 152K. Still has the orig cps and have a new oem black one in the glovebox. I know lots of guys that have replaced them but so far mine is holding up. I had to sign a waiver on the cps recall but had heard lots of horor stories about the replacement one so I refused it. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[transamz9]

macsplinter wrote:
They ALL have their problems.

Yes they do, I'm still looking for mine after 90,000 miles though.

[macsplinter]

They ALL have their problems.

[transamz9]

64thunderbolt wrote:
Power is not an issue per my sig. I have guages and a CTS monitor as well as water inj. I have never had an issue with coolant temps and the tunes and water take care of the egt's

I was JK with the power thing but stating your vintage motor likes crank sensors.

[64thunderbolt]

Power is not an issue per my sig. I have guages and a CTS monitor as well as water inj. I have never had an issue with coolant temps and the tunes and water take care of the egt's

[transamz9]

64thunderbolt wrote:
the 05 Dmax had egt issues as well. GM had a bad batch of inj and extended the warranty I was told by a friend that has one. I can't say for sure as this is hearsay. I have a 7.3 and just don't worry about it just drive it like I stole it.

You better get you a CS and keep it with ya because that was the 7.3's fault , well and not having any power, but you can't help that....JK LOL!

[64thunderbolt]

the 05 Dmax had egt issues as well. GM had a bad batch of inj and extended the warranty I was told by a friend that has one. I can't say for sure as this is hearsay. I have a 7.3 and just don't worry about it just drive it like I stole it.

[transamz9]

The early GM's had this problem. After '03 or '04 they were good. I think they had some cooling problems for a year or so after that. (don't know that much about the D-max)

[Hannibal]

Or seeing the potential for unrealistically expensive maintenance and buying a Maliboo instead. It's all about choices. I never had to change the injectors in my Cummins Rams. The 12v's got their rockers adjusted every 24~k miles. The injectors would have been a breeze if needed. The 24v '01.5 got a valve lash adjustment at around 40k. It's injectors were staring at me then too but didn't need to be changed out. What is it about the GM that requires injectors so often?

[transamz9]

Hannibal wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Hannibal wrote:
You buy tools from Walmart to replace injectors for fun? I rest my case...

You have no case to rest bud. I didn't say that I buy my tools from Walmart, you did. If you look back, I said that you can change the injectors with tools you can buy at Walmart. I have my tools and plenty of them. Injectors are simple and if you think otherwise then you haven't done much in the 50 years you have been doing it. I don't have to prove myself to anyone.I'm done........

Your posts would suggest otherwise but, it's been fun. I don't drive a GM so no, I don't have much experience changing diesel injectors.:B

Exactly! So if it looks like it's hard then everyone will assume it is just like you did. All people have to do is try a little but no it's easier to pay somebody else and then complain at how much it cost. That's like buying a Corvette and then complaining that the tires are $500 a piece.:S

[Hannibal]

transamz9 wrote:

Hannibal wrote:
You buy tools from Walmart to replace injectors for fun? I rest my case...

You have no case to rest bud. I didn't say that I buy my tools from Walmart, you did. If you look back, I said that you can change the injectors with tools you can buy at Walmart. I have my tools and plenty of them. Injectors are simple and if you think otherwise then you haven't done much in the 50 years you have been doing it. I don't have to prove myself to anyone.I'm done........

Your posts would suggest otherwise but, it's been fun. I don't drive a GM so no, I don't have much experience changing diesel injectors.:B

[transamz9]

Hannibal wrote:
You buy tools from Walmart to replace injectors for fun? I rest my case...

You have no case to rest bud. I didn't say that I buy my tools from Walmart, you did. If you look back, I said that you can change the injectors with tools you can buy at Walmart. I have my tools and plenty of them. Injectors are simple and if you think otherwise then you haven't done much in the 50 years you have been doing it. I don't have to prove myself to anyone.I'm done........