Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[bkirkpatrick]

64thunderbolt wrote:
Try a 7.3 with tunes. The 6.0 just doesn't have the grunt of a 7.3.

x2. Had the 99 7.3 with tuner, exhaust, intake and that thing was not only loud, it had plenty of get up and go. The problem with the 7.3's are the transmissions.

[64thunderbolt]

Try a 7.3 with tunes. The 6.0 just doesn't have the grunt of a 7.3.

[transamz9]

Taco wrote:
07 ford with the 6.0, under 100k miles so it shouldn't be worn out. not the best record for reliability but power wise with a tuner it is probably putting out as good or better than anything that came stock from the factory.

my guess at weight is probably 22-23k combined the trailer was 102 inches wide and 13' 4" tall.

Yes, the 6.0 is a screamer and yes it sux the fuel. I drive one as a DD and I promise you that they are completely different than a Cummins. I would be more than happy to take you for a ride. You can say I'm full of it all you want but I do know the difference and I drive them all including the gas trucks daily. You just had the unfortunate chance to ride in the wrong truck. 😉

[jerem0621]

Taco wrote:
07 ford with the 6.0, under 100k miles so it shouldn't be worn out. not the best record for reliability but power wise with a tuner it is probably putting out as good or better than anything that came stock from the factory.

my guess at weight is probably 22-23k combined the trailer was 102 inches wide and 13' 4" tall.

I have a similar experience. My friend has a 6.0 diesel and I have a V10, both crew cab dually's. We took the campers and our families to Disney last summer. It was about a 1200 mile round trip. Listening to all of the diesel talk on here he should have run off and left me and only needed to stop for fuel every third time I did (because I have a gasser).

Well, he never ran off and left me, we both had a nice tow. The only perceivable difference was the fact that on grades (regular old interstate grades) he would spew black smoke out of the tail pipe.

Mine didn't.

Oh, and we both filled up at the same times. I am sure he got some better MPG.. not so sure it was THAT much better than mine.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[Taco]

07 ford with the 6.0, under 100k miles so it shouldn't be worn out. not the best record for reliability but power wise with a tuner it is probably putting out as good or better than anything that came stock from the factory.

my guess at weight is probably 22-23k combined the trailer was 102 inches wide and 13' 4" tall.

[gsxr1300]

Taco what model and year were you in?

[Hannibal]

That's the reality of it but, what about folklore? Diesels are stronger but, they are not necessarily faster. That and with the diesel, you get to ride around town with your towing mirrors out so others will think it's a big rig!:B

[Taco]

I am a big gas truck supporter and recently got a chance to take a 400 mile ride through the mountains of the western half of VA and Tenn in a diesel truck towing a high profile 5er toyhauler.

All I can say is it that ride really surprised me. After everybody on here talking about how effortlessly a diesel tows you are all full of it. It downshifts just as much as a gas truck and runs up to 3100 rpm on 2-3% interstate grades to hold 65 mph and is louder than my gas truck and sounds just as strained as a gas truck. We got single digit mpg and some stations you had to wait for the single pump and couldn't pay at the pump. It dropped to 50 mph on the 5% grades and this was with a tuner giving it an extra 80 horse or so.

All and all I am fully underwhelmed by the towing performance of a diesel truck. It sounded like it was working no less hard although it did it at 1500 rpm less, it was louder, and still got about 9 mpg.

I am not saying it did poorly, I just think people on here give folks the idea that a diesel truck will climb mt everest at 1600 rpm getting 14 mpg towing a 16k 13ft tall 5er and it just isn't so. It will downshift, slow down, and drink fuel just like a gas truck.

[jerem0621]

Thank you very much for the kind comment.

[transamz9]

jerem0621 wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:
Just for kicks...In light of this threads name...

10 new injectors for my V10 are around $300.00.

Can be installed in less than an hour 🙂

While you are installing them go ahead and do your coils and plugs while you're at it. Another $7-800.:) Clean that throttle body too, it might give you a little more power and fuel economy. We all know you need it. LOL! jk

LOL... I did that and it didn't cost me near $800.00 bucks.. Bahahaha..

Thanks, I needed a laugh today.. Grandpa's in the hospital and not doing too good. Probably be the only laugh I have for a while.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Sorry to here about your Grandpas misfortune. I hope all goes well for you and your family.;)

[jerem0621]

transamz9 wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:
Just for kicks...In light of this threads name...

10 new injectors for my V10 are around $300.00.

Can be installed in less than an hour 🙂

While you are installing them go ahead and do your coils and plugs while you're at it. Another $7-800.:) Clean that throttle body too, it might give you a little more power and fuel economy. We all know you need it. LOL! jk

LOL... I did that and it didn't cost me near $800.00 bucks.. Bahahaha..

Thanks, I needed a laugh today.. Grandpa's in the hospital and not doing too good. Probably be the only laugh I have for a while.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[transamz9]

jerem0621 wrote:
Just for kicks...In light of this threads name...

10 new injectors for my V10 are around $300.00.

Can be installed in less than an hour 🙂

While you are installing them go ahead and do your coils and plugs while you're at it. Another $7-800.:) Clean that throttle body too, it might give you a little more power and fuel economy. We all know you need it. LOL! jk

[jerem0621]

Just for kicks...In light of this threads name...

10 new injectors for my V10 are around $300.00.

Can be installed in less than an hour 🙂

[Jarlaxle]

rerod wrote:
Funny, because I was on the fence with ford diesels for a while because ford was the only choice for powerful towing Vans. I lost a sweet deal on a quigley e350 6.0 because I got cold feet after numerous warnings on diesel forums not to buy it.

Then I found a E350 with a 1st gen cummins 5 speed in it. I haven't used it to pull yet, but cant wait.

An E-350 with a Cummins and 5-speed?! Dude, I hate you! 😄

Which trans is it?

[rerod]

rhagfo wrote:

Sweet van, that is a nice shoehorn fit!

Thanks!

Interesting fact.. A cummins has makes its power with 30% less moving parts and 50% greater bearing surface than its competition..

Just sayin.. Oh and 1st Gens will run without a battery or alternator.