Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[bluenote]

Ace! wrote:
Bluenote, I guess you didn't realize that was a joke. You ever drive up hill both ways, in the snow?

I guess you didn't realize I was making a joke as well...and both were as dumb as what this thread has turned into.

[Ace_]

Jim, no, it wasn't directed at you. Also, kidding about what part?

[Ace_]

Bluenote, I guess you didn't realize that was a joke. You ever drive up hill both ways, in the snow?

It's sort of like hearing an old story from someone about walking to the bus stop, or school, in the snow, up hill both ways.

Here's the link you were looking for

[JIMNLIN]

Ace! wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:
There in lays the crux of your problem. Your assumming all diesel trucks get what you claim your neighbors DMAX mpgs gets. One size don't fit all.

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I don't like being lumped in with other posters. I'm my own person. It doesn't mean I wouldn't be your buddy, or 8.1, or anyone else, but I think you're generalizing and diminishing the value of individual posts when you lump people together. So, thanks for the discourse buddy.

Is that aimed at me ?? Went back and reread my post and I don't see where I lumped you in with other posters or that I discoursed you.

ACE Quote :
" And, when someone posts a gas truck won't pull like a diesel, I'll be there to point out that some "stock" gas trucks have more hp AND torque than their diesel counterpart, whether people believe me or not." I'll also point out you don't NEED a diesel to pull heavy. I'll also point out that not all diesels get 20+ mileage pulling a heavy trailer up a 6% grade both ways in the snow."

Yer kiddin' right !!!

[bluenote]

Ace! wrote:
I'll also point out that not all diesels get 20+ mileage pulling a heavy trailer up a 6% grade both ways in the snow.

I guess the rest of us missed when someone posted that. Please provide a link.

[bluenote]

blt2ski wrote:
SBluenote,

Not to argue re mpg's of the dmax's, but as I recall you have an earlier model!?!?!?! ie first 2 maybe 3 model yrs......those did get a bit better MPG's than later models like my 05.

I have friends with an '06 crew cab dually and they get within 1 to 2 mpg's of what I get. How people drive their diesels is just as important, if not more so, than the area they're driving them.

[Ace_]

JIMNLIN wrote:
There in lays the crux of your problem. Your assumming all diesel trucks get what you claim your neighbors DMAX mpgs gets. One size don't fit all.

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*I'm* the one saying the truck gets different mileage and I'm not saying your truck doesn't get what you claim it does. I don't assume his truck is or isn't average, because honestly, it doesn't make any difference to me. I'm not assuming all diesel trucks get the same mileage. When someone says their diesel gets 20mpg, I don't really care, because I don't live there and don't drive the same conditions. My neighbor and I live NEXT door to each other, we both have 3/4 ton trucks (very similar trucks/options, but his is a Chev diesel and mine a gas Ford), we drive the same roads, both pull trailers to camp, etc., etc. Also, I keep up on new trucks, and honestly, they get worse mileage typically then older trucks. My neighbor's truck and the current Ford trucks do not get the mileage of trucks just a year or two older. I don't know if you know that, but the emissions stuff on newer trucks, regens, etc., has decreased mileage of the new diesels. So the difference in mileage between gas and diesel has been getting narrower every year (maybe you didn't realize that).

My neighbor and I have similar trucks, driven on similar routes and he gets 20% better mileage, empty or towing. So, when someone makes a general statement about anything, but in this case a diesel, I try to show that what is claimed isn't always true, and not for everyone. I've posted my experiences, tests completed by pickuptrucks.com and it doesn't mean your specific experience has to be the same. It also doesn't mean your experience will be true for other people. My neighbor by the way still scratches his head and says he was told by everyone he talked to that he would get a lot better mileage than he does. Now when he talks to those same people they tell him to "chip" his truck, because that's what they did. Well, point is, the trucks do the same job, and they aren't that different.

One size doesn't fit all has been MY point since I started posting. And, when someone posts a gas truck won't pull like a diesel, I'll be there to point out that some "stock" gas trucks have more hp AND torque than their diesel counterpart, whether people believe me or not. I'll also point out you don't NEED a diesel to pull heavy. I'll also point out that not all diesels get 20+ mileage pulling a heavy trailer up a 6% grade both ways in the snow. There are advantages to either gas or diesel (which has been my point, which has been missed by many), and it's an individual decision that isn't right or wrong for everyone else.

Also, I don't like being lumped in with other posters. I'm my own person. It doesn't mean I wouldn't be your buddy, or 8.1, or anyone else, but I think you're generalizing and diminishing the value of individual posts when you lump people together. So, thanks for the discourse buddy.

[Ram4Sam]

8.1 Van wrote:
The bottom line is it cost me less to go from point A to point B in reg unl gas cost today with my 8.1 van than it would with my PSD Excursions with diesel fuel.

Everybody got that point over and over and over again, many pages ago. What I/others don't get is why you have to poke everyone in the eye with it, over and over and over again.

Sam

[Ram4Sam]

Sam,

"have you not noticed I have been deleting a lot of the post with gas prices on them."

Actually, I hadn't. This thread was so full of 8.1's Flying J pics I did't see that my pics of an Arco sign would be a problem. I will cease and desist as requested, no biggie.

"gotta luv that TD pull/spin/sound of the turbo winding up!:B:B:B:B"

Marty

Amen to that!

Sam

[TennesseeBob]

The election's over so the price of fuel is already jumped up 31 cents since yesterday :M

[mgratner]

8.1

Get a horse to pull your camper. Let it graze at night while you sleep. Then you will save even more money.

Cigar Mike

[8_1_Van]

The bottom line is it cost me less to go from point A to point B in reg unl gas cost today with my 8.1 van than it would with my PSD Excursions with diesel fuel.

[JIMNLIN]

Ace! wrote:
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Also, most of you have a different truck than the people I know, because I don't know anyone personally that gets twice the mileage I do, and in fact the mileage is roughly 30% better or less than what I get, when it's better. As a matter of fact my next door neighbor has a Chev 2500 Duramax and gets 14mpg unloaded...that's not what I consider twice the mileage of my truck, but it's a fact and not an Internet claim.

There in lays the crux of your problem. Your assumming all diesel trucks get what you claim your neighbors DMAX mpgs gets. One size don't fit all.

Most truck owners that live out here have long weekly commutes. Mine was 600+ miles all highway. My neighbor lady had a 850 mile a week commute/etc. All my neighbors that drive pre DPF diesels are getting 20-22 mpgs on those long commutes. Even the 6.0 PSD is getting those numbers. Even some 3500 DRW owners are running 19-20 mpg numbers.

Now I didn't say anyone that owns a diesel will get those better mpgs. We simply don't have a city out here that other owners do. City driving kills mpg on our 2500/3500 size trucks.

Other problems gasser folks have is comparaing apples to oranges when they want to compare their smallblock gas engine 1500/2500 to a diesel. As I said folks out here need a truck and in most cases what we pull, no RVs, a smallblock won't cut it. Apples to apples will be a BB gasser vs the diesel.

[blt2ski]

Sam,

have you not noticed I have been deleting a lot of the post with gas prices on them.

Bluenote,

Not to argue re mpg's of the dmax's, but as I recall you have an earlier model!?!?!?! ie first 2 maybe 3 model yrs......those did get a bit better MPG's than later models like my 05. But, to digress, as Ace points out also, depending upon the terrain etc one drives in, mpg of a given rig, be it a gas or diesel will vary. hence even tho I am at sealevel, you probably what 1000-2000' in Mi. It is pretty flat that there as compared to here in Seattle. where I can go from sealevel to 500' up a 20% grade in downtown Seattle! I have clients with 30% grade driveways that one has to go up too! Talk about screwing up ones MPG's!

Along with I do have a rack on the truck, right now some timber and PVC pipe, tomorrow a 2' ext ladder.......talk about screwing up the mpg's another .5 or so:R:R:R:R


Anyway, to all, while I understand the point and wanting to see this thread closed..........what I have generally found, is by keeping this thread open, it keeps me from closing the same BS thread three or more times a week.

Yes as time change, fuel prices vary from at one time diesel being cheaper than gas, to the other way around today, for some of us, the cost per mile for gas is better than diesel now. This is a topic as mentioned, like the hatfields vs the mccoys, there will never be a one is better than the other. As all of us have different needs and wants. Reality is. for my useage, an ext cab SB gas V8 would do everything I want it to do, in a SW vs my dually CC diesel, I would get about the same mileage, less cost per mile, cheaper insurance etc. Granted a 6.0 gas GM would not be as fast as my dmax, but from a cost per mile, it would be cheaper to run overall. Even tho I do drive some 25K miles a yr! For most of us, comparing a BB to a TD< this is where it will pay on a cost per mile to drive a diesel, and have a reasonable ROI. Otherwise, it is strictly a what you want, go for it, there is no right or wrong.

I will point out, I am looking at this from a biz owners stand point, from a private person/RV'r standpoint, gotta luv that TD pull/spin/sound of the turbo winding up!:B:B:B:B

Marty

[Ram4Sam]

Ace! wrote:
So, diesel is still 30%+ more than gas anywhere in the US and you're braggin? That's some funny shiite.

Now Ace, when you come in stir the pot with a post like this, don't get all worked up if it spills on your shoes, so to speak. It's all in fun as far as I'm concerned. I hope the moderator doesn't close this thread also. The gas guzzlers and the diesel heads are like the Hatfields and McCoys. As far as braggin', I'm just posting pics of price signs just like you ol' buddy 8.1, and my price signs pics are of signs that are real close to my house, real world stuff. Your buddy is doing all the bragging by using gas prices from all over the country. He finds the biggest discrepancy he can to make his gas over diesel claims look better, cooking the books so to speak. Relax and have fun with this.

Sam