โJan-04-2017 11:08 PM
โJan-07-2017 08:39 AM
drittal wrote:
My thing is this, Fseries covers all the way to F750, correct?
GM does not offer 450-750.
Makes perfect sense to me to add in the smaller trucks to GM totals if Ford gets to add in the bigger trucks.
โJan-07-2017 07:27 AM
โJan-07-2017 07:24 AM
patriotgrunt wrote:
Must be cold out there with all of these brand-war threads!
โJan-07-2017 04:24 AM
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โJan-06-2017 05:28 AM
Terryallan wrote:
Actually they did not pay it all back. We went 11.2 Billion in the hole on the deal. seems GM paid back a huge part of the bailout with stocks. and the stocks are not worth enough money to cover the Bailout. so again. The US taxpayer took a 11.2 billion dollar bath. GM went bankrupt, screwed it's stock holders, and there we are.
โJan-06-2017 05:25 AM
Terryallan wrote:
And I wasn't counting vans, or SUVs either, All classified as trucks. The numbers were only about F series, and their direct competition. Colorado, and Canyon are not in that class.
โJan-06-2017 05:09 AM
ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:N-Trouble wrote:
And in other news McDonalds sells the most burgers...
๐ Hi, this is the most idiotic statement ever made on this forum.
โJan-06-2017 12:31 AM
N-Trouble wrote:
And in other news McDonalds sells the most burgers...
โJan-05-2017 05:47 PM
proxim2020 wrote:Terryallan wrote:proxim2020 wrote:Thomas/NH wrote:
Ford has been good for me... Back during the recession when the big three were looking for a bailout, I was impressed by Ford's position and decided to back them. I bought 5000 shares at $1.59 (against my broker's better judgment, "you're throwing your money away") now it's $13.17 (now back to investment grade and paying dividends again). I know I should be shrewd and divest, but with the new models coming out and the investment in electrics I'm going to let it ride.
I've alway owned Fords both personally and in my company, they've served me well.
You do know Ford ended up taking money from the government right? Originally they approached the government like all others asking for $9 Billion, but changed their mind when they got a slick idea. They instead borrowed almost $6 Billion from the Energy Department instead of going through TARP (The Bailout Program). They could then say that they didn't have to take bailout money. Ford Credit received almost $16 billion from the government. Ford's financial arm borrowed more than any other competitor. The fact is everybody got bailed out in one way or another.
A lot of difference between a LOAN, and a Bailout. they also took out the loan long before the bailout. I have a loan for my house. Trust me. It is NOT a bailout.
From Investopedia:
"What is a 'Bailout'
A bailout is a situation in which a business, an individual or a government offers money to a failing business to prevent the consequences that arise from the business's downfall. Bailouts can take the form of loans, bonds, stocks or cash. They may require reimbursement. Bailouts have traditionally occurred in industries or businesses that are perceived as no longer being viable or are sustaining huge losses."
It wasn't free money that the government was handing out. They wanted it back and still do. These were always meant to be loans. GM was paying something like 7 percent on their loan which they paid back in full.
โJan-05-2017 05:32 PM
drittal wrote:Terryallan wrote:4x4ord wrote:
Unless GM's sales numbers are combined with Chevy's when comparing it doesn't mean much to me.
Ford still wins.
Ford for 2016....820,799
Chevy for 2016...574,876
GMC..............221,680
total........... 796,556...........for a minus of 24,243
Me I don't care. I'm old, and unless this truck goes up in smoke or worse. I have bought my last one., and in truth they all do a good job at what they are supposed to do.
BTW. I did not post the Ram because that wasn't ask. but it was between the Chevy, and GMC
Unless you are just considering full size you are forgetting the almost 150,000 Colorado and canyon.