I got my new gas light.

[specta]

It arrived the day before yesterday.



I'm going to mount it right here above the dinette.
I can't wait. :B

[pasusan]

jaycocreek wrote:

time2roll wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
Where a gravity furnace could work in a RV, not use electricity it would burn more propane, unless it was below floor level. A wall mounted unit would put heat high in the room, to pool at ceiling. With nothing to circulate it would take a lot of heat to get that pool down to knees. The fan blower reverses the natural flow in the furnace, so the natural flow in the room helps to heat it.

Plenty of apartments use a vented convection heater on the wall and nobody is getting cold knees for it.

Exactly,we had one in a house when we first bought it..Worked okay just like the gravity furnace did in several truck campers and travel trailers..Those of us that have actually used them in cold temps,actually liked them and the lack of electricity needed...

Absolutely... We had both a gravity furnace and a propane light in our '74 Scotty. Miss them every time we camp in the cold. The family would be sitting around the fire telling stories - I would go in the camper and start up the light while I turned all the furniture into beds.
Those were the good old days... 🙂

[JRscooby]

jaycocreek wrote:

time2roll wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
Where a gravity furnace could work in a RV, not use electricity it would burn more propane, unless it was below floor level. A wall mounted unit would put heat high in the room, to pool at ceiling. With nothing to circulate it would take a lot of heat to get that pool down to knees. The fan blower reverses the natural flow in the furnace, so the natural flow in the room helps to heat it.

Plenty of apartments use a vented convection heater on the wall and nobody is getting cold knees for it.

Exactly,we had one in a house when we first bought it..Worked okay just like the gravity furnace did in several truck campers and travel trailers..Those of us that have actually used them in cold temps,actually liked them and the lack of electricity needed...

I will not say a gravity furnace will not work. The coal or wood fired gravity furnace was much better than the pot-belly stove, which was better than the fireplace. But as technology evolved, forced air has proven to be more efficient. Maybe a gravity furnace in RV would heat well enough without the need for electricity. But I would be surprised if propane consumption did not increase. Is it easier to carry extra propane instead of extra battery? I can't say. But IMHO, a better idea would be try to make the air handling part of the furnace more efficient. (In homes, the combustion/heat extraction has improved to the point need to use electricity to remove combustion waste gasses, can't use the natural lift of heat to remove. But save enough in fuel to pay for extra electricity.
Gas lights where a great improvement over oil lamps. And in a application where any time you need light you also need heat, and you had ventilation a gas light would likely be the way to go. And like the OP, want for the nostalgia, then it is the right tool for the job. For off-grid living, solar/battery/LED is state of art. But when a local propane supplier will set the tank just to be sure you buy from them, somebody building on a tight budget might install gas lights, to avoid the up-front costs of a solar set-up. As price of solar drops, less likely.

Even more off topic;
In the early '60s the local natural gas company had a "deal". They would install a pole with gaslight where it would light the sidewalk from drive to stoop. About 1 in 4 houses on the block had them. How much gas did they sell with all those lamps burning 24/7/365?

[Grit_dog]

Wish there was a lime button. Well put spectra.

[Edd505]

When you live off grid you use propane lighting, here a few of many.

[jaycocreek]

time2roll wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
Where a gravity furnace could work in a RV, not use electricity it would burn more propane, unless it was below floor level. A wall mounted unit would put heat high in the room, to pool at ceiling. With nothing to circulate it would take a lot of heat to get that pool down to knees. The fan blower reverses the natural flow in the furnace, so the natural flow in the room helps to heat it.

Plenty of apartments use a vented convection heater on the wall and nobody is getting cold knees for it.

Exactly,we had one in a house when we first bought it..Worked okay just like the gravity furnace did in several truck campers and travel trailers..Those of us that have actually used them in cold temps,actually liked them and the lack of electricity needed...

[time2roll]

JRscooby wrote:
Where a gravity furnace could work in a RV, not use electricity it would burn more propane, unless it was below floor level. A wall mounted unit would put heat high in the room, to pool at ceiling. With nothing to circulate it would take a lot of heat to get that pool down to knees. The fan blower reverses the natural flow in the furnace, so the natural flow in the room helps to heat it.

Plenty of apartments use a vented convection heater on the wall and nobody is getting cold knees for it.

[jaycocreek]

These lights are quite popular in Amish communities also..

Humphrey Gas Light This incredible indoor propane gas light mounts on the wall of your home or cabin. The Light comes with a pre-formed or tie-on mantle. The Humphrey Gas light is equal to a 70 watt light bulb and runs on either propane or butane. Costs pennies per hour to operate. Humphrey gas lights can be used with natural gas or butane with the purchase of the appropriate nozzle. Safety certified by the Canadian Gas Association Air intake is factory pre-set. Made in the USA.

Humphrey Indoor Gas Lights
Indoor Gas Lights are an excellent alternative to electric lighting. Interior gas lights are easily installed in cabins, homes, fish shacks, and RV's. Millions of people have chosen gas lights as their answer to off-grid living

[JRscooby]

jaycocreek wrote:
OMG...Now 12 more pages on the correct meaning of forced air..I explained it correctly but labeled it wrong,evidently..(laffin)

First, you make a untrue statement " the forced air furnace without a blower.."

When questioned your definition, you trumped down on it with

"They used to have just a furnace without a blower that forced air out, kinda like a catalytic heater,that had no blower or electricity involved..The thermostat was numbers on the dial..LOL..When the number on the dial reached it's temperature,it went to just the pilot until it needed more heat.."

A furnace, gravity or forced air, does not resemble a catalytic heater. Furnace will always have a path for the waste gasses of combustion to the outside, not into the room with the heated air. The most efficient will bring air needed for combustion from outside.
Where a gravity furnace could work in a RV, not use electricity it would burn more propane, unless it was below floor level. A wall mounted unit would put heat high in the room, to pool at ceiling. With nothing to circulate it would take a lot of heat to get that pool down to knees. The fan blower reverses the natural flow in the furnace, so the natural flow in the room helps to heat it.

[specta]

ticki2 wrote:
The OP is looking for pleasing light and heat . LED produces neither.

Exactly.

[Latner]

Kayteg1 wrote:
So it is nostalgia thing?
Years ago, I had gasoline powered lamp.
It was original cool-miners light, what was cool as it had self-igniter (rare 40 years ago) and flame had double steel mesh around, so any methane presence would be indicated by internal blows, but without igniting gas around.
It was cool as hell, but over the years its practicality diminished and finally it ended in the garbage.
So back to my question. Why not slap couple of LED panels inside the old fixture and have it all without maintenance hassle and without endangering your life?

Get over it. He doesn't want leds, he wants a functional gas lamp and he is aware of the risks.

[jaycocreek]

OMG...Now 12 more pages on the correct meaning of forced air..I explained it correctly but labeled it wrong,evidently..(laffin)

[ticki2]

JRscooby wrote:

jaycocreek wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
I thought blower was involved in the definition of forced air furnace?

They used to have just a furnace without a blower that forced air out, kinda like a catalytic heater,that had no blower or electricity involved..The thermostat was numbers on the dial..LOL..When the number on the dial reached it's temperature,it went to just the pilot until it needed more heat...

The older campers had the propane lights/hand water pump/forced air furnaces(without blowers) etc because most only had one battery and RVing was nothing like it is today..

Old school wasn't so bad and everyone lived that followed instructions,just as today..LOL

I know what used to be, but that was called a gravity system. The heated air is lighter, so it flows out to be replaced by colder air. In the house I grew up in, if we closed the door at the bottom of steps, so the dense air could not come down, we had no heat in the upstairs bedrooms.

Correct , forced air means blower .

[ticki2]

One hour of one burner on the gas range would equal almost four hours of gas lamp use . The OP is looking for pleasing light and heat . LED produces neither . Both have their place and I use both .

[JRscooby]

jaycocreek wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
I thought blower was involved in the definition of forced air furnace?

They used to have just a furnace without a blower that forced air out, kinda like a catalytic heater,that had no blower or electricity involved..The thermostat was numbers on the dial..LOL..When the number on the dial reached it's temperature,it went to just the pilot until it needed more heat...

The older campers had the propane lights/hand water pump/forced air furnaces(without blowers) etc because most only had one battery and RVing was nothing like it is today..

Old school wasn't so bad and everyone lived that followed instructions,just as today..LOL

I know what used to be, but that was called a gravity system. The heated air is lighter, so it flows out to be replaced by colder air. In the house I grew up in, if we closed the door at the bottom of steps, so the dense air could not come down, we had no heat in the upstairs bedrooms.

[jaycocreek]

JRscooby wrote:
I thought blower was involved in the definition of forced air furnace?

They used to have just a furnace without a blower that forced air out, kinda like a catalytic heater,that had no blower or electricity involved..The thermostat was numbers on the dial..LOL..When the number on the dial reached it's temperature,it went to just the pilot until it needed more heat...

The older campers had the propane lights/hand water pump/forced air furnaces(without blowers) etc because most only had one battery and RVing was nothing like it is today..

Old school wasn't so bad and everyone lived that followed instructions,just as today..LOL