Nov-03-2021 09:05 AM
Nov-07-2021 09:00 AM
Nov-07-2021 08:31 AM
Grit dog wrote:4x4ord wrote:ford truck guy wrote:Grit dog wrote:Jim-Linda wrote:
Have EB on Cat in FL60. Rig is 25 years old. It has BD exhaust brake that is turned off only on downhills in rolling country, EB will engage when not needed. The only drawback I can see is in city type traffic when EB engages, following vehicles are not aware of truck slowing due to no Brake light. No failures, original disk pads.
But it is a nice feature to get tailgators to back off!
Separate note, I've never checked, but the newer OEM integrated exhaust brakes, do they activate the brake lights when they kick in?
Under the right conditions one can scrub some speed pretty quickly without touching the service brakes.
I looked behind the truck when hooked to the fiver during the last night tow and did NOT see any brake lights on the truck... I can see them light up the front of the fiver compartment door.
That is always my concern as well... I kind of like my rear cap in 1, solid piece
Wihen towing heavy down a steep grade the Ford service brakes come on, if needed, to hold the speed back when cruise control is set. Without cruise set the wheel brakes will be applied at the engine red line to slow the engine down some before automatically releasing. So without cruise control set the computer does what an attentive driver should do. Additionally the Ford system uses the time the brakes are applied and the brake application pressure to calculate an approximate brake temperature. If required a warning will be flashed up to inform the driver of potentially hot brakes.
No kidding? On one hand that is a seriously impressive highly integrated system. Is that all models or trim levels? Do they all have active collision avoidance now? Or do they have a similar system just for the towing function as you described it?
The practical side of me is having trouble accepting that this is a good thing, making vehicle systems even more complicated and allowing even more stupid human trucks to not have the expected affect!
Nov-07-2021 03:19 AM
Nov-06-2021 10:14 AM
4x4ord wrote:ford truck guy wrote:Grit dog wrote:Jim-Linda wrote:
Have EB on Cat in FL60. Rig is 25 years old. It has BD exhaust brake that is turned off only on downhills in rolling country, EB will engage when not needed. The only drawback I can see is in city type traffic when EB engages, following vehicles are not aware of truck slowing due to no Brake light. No failures, original disk pads.
But it is a nice feature to get tailgators to back off!
Separate note, I've never checked, but the newer OEM integrated exhaust brakes, do they activate the brake lights when they kick in?
Under the right conditions one can scrub some speed pretty quickly without touching the service brakes.
I looked behind the truck when hooked to the fiver during the last night tow and did NOT see any brake lights on the truck... I can see them light up the front of the fiver compartment door.
That is always my concern as well... I kind of like my rear cap in 1, solid piece
Wihen towing heavy down a steep grade the Ford service brakes come on, if needed, to hold the speed back when cruise control is set. Without cruise set the wheel brakes will be applied at the engine red line to slow the engine down some before automatically releasing. So without cruise control set the computer does what an attentive driver should do. Additionally the Ford system uses the time the brakes are applied and the brake application pressure to calculate an approximate brake temperature. If required a warning will be flashed up to inform the driver of potentially hot brakes.
Nov-06-2021 10:08 AM
SweetLou wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:SweetLou wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
No Idea on a Ford. On my 11 and now 15 RAM every single start I hit the Tow Haul and Exhaust Brake buttons.
I did that too thinking it helps with the longevity of the exhaust brake. My actuator went out at 90K this year.
Mine went out early also but that Has nothing to do with the mechanics of the turbo.
no but everything to do with the brake
Nov-06-2021 09:56 AM
blofgren wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:blofgren wrote:cummins2014 wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
Don't think the above applies to the RAM. Anyone know for a fact?
I sure haven't heard anything about brakes being applied along with the exhaust brake on the Rams .
Me neither. And I pretty much guarantee it doesn’t happen with my G56 manual! :B. I think the guys in the other brands don’t really realize how well the Cummins EB works.
When towing HEAVY as I do it’s smart to understand the benefits of manually selecting the proper gear along with using cruise control.
Anyone thinking they can hit auto EB and control 36k down a long 6% grade will have a rude awakening.
Absolutely; being in the right gear is key with the manual trans too.
Nov-06-2021 09:12 AM
Cummins12V98 wrote:blofgren wrote:cummins2014 wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
Don't think the above applies to the RAM. Anyone know for a fact?
I sure haven't heard anything about brakes being applied along with the exhaust brake on the Rams .
Me neither. And I pretty much guarantee it doesn’t happen with my G56 manual! :B. I think the guys in the other brands don’t really realize how well the Cummins EB works.
When towing HEAVY as I do it’s smart to understand the benefits of manually selecting the proper gear along with using cruise control.
Anyone thinking they can hit auto EB and control 36k down a long 6% grade will have a rude awakening.
Nov-06-2021 08:42 AM
Nov-06-2021 08:39 AM
blofgren wrote:cummins2014 wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
Don't think the above applies to the RAM. Anyone know for a fact?
I sure haven't heard anything about brakes being applied along with the exhaust brake on the Rams .
Me neither. And I pretty much guarantee it doesn’t happen with my G56 manual! :B. I think the guys in the other brands don’t really realize how well the Cummins EB works.
Nov-06-2021 05:30 AM
Nov-06-2021 04:28 AM
rhagfo wrote:Grit dog wrote:SweetLou wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
No Idea on a Ford. On my 11 and now 15 RAM every single start I hit the Tow Haul and Exhaust Brake buttons.
I did that too thinking it helps with the longevity of the exhaust brake. My actuator went out at 90K this year.
Your actuator went out, but the vanes didn’t clog up and stick, correct?
2 different things.
I never believed that a vgt needed to run the exhaust brake as the vanes are basically constantly moving anyway. However I was corrected and it makes sense.
When accelerating, the vanes range of motion is much less as they never “close down” to choke off the exhaust. Whereas the exh brake moves the vanes through the rest of their total range of motion because it reduces the % open much more than a base line, no boost condition.
Ram doesn’t use the vanes, it has a sliding ring that creates the back pressure.
Nov-05-2021 10:28 PM
cummins2014 wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
Don't think the above applies to the RAM. Anyone know for a fact?
I sure haven't heard anything about brakes being applied along with the exhaust brake on the Rams .
Nov-05-2021 06:24 PM
Grit dog wrote:SweetLou wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
No Idea on a Ford. On my 11 and now 15 RAM every single start I hit the Tow Haul and Exhaust Brake buttons.
I did that too thinking it helps with the longevity of the exhaust brake. My actuator went out at 90K this year.
Your actuator went out, but the vanes didn’t clog up and stick, correct?
2 different things.
I never believed that a vgt needed to run the exhaust brake as the vanes are basically constantly moving anyway. However I was corrected and it makes sense.
When accelerating, the vanes range of motion is much less as they never “close down” to choke off the exhaust. Whereas the exh brake moves the vanes through the rest of their total range of motion because it reduces the % open much more than a base line, no boost condition.
Nov-05-2021 04:50 PM
Cummins12V98 wrote:SweetLou wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
No Idea on a Ford. On my 11 and now 15 RAM every single start I hit the Tow Haul and Exhaust Brake buttons.
I did that too thinking it helps with the longevity of the exhaust brake. My actuator went out at 90K this year.
Mine went out early also but that Has nothing to do with the mechanics of the turbo.