J2807 SAE towing standards

[Flashman]

Do all trucks, all models follow the standards now?

[blt2ski]

45Ricochet wrote:
LMAO Marty. How do you do it :W
The forum should have like a wrong passkey code on a ipad.
To many attempts and your out.

2 freaken days with the flu, finally feel well enough look at a blinken computer......must be something in the air that the trolls know Marty is not at a computer.......

sheep dip!

Nor will I go into the why I feel the new specs are worthless. ie initial take of in reverse or 1st gear is a whopping 12% grade! my driveway is double that! My sisters road she lives on is 150% of that.....

Anyway......

going back to bed after I lock this baby up!

Maryt

[drittal]

ShinerBock wrote:

drittal wrote:
I'm saying you can't compare numbers from a 2011-2014 to a 2015 because all those changes made add up to different capability.

Yes, but none of those changes besides weight will effect its tow rating going by the J2807 test standards which is what I was talking about before you butted in the conversation and took it way off track.

Apparently Ford did make changes, as in adding aux transmission cooler to plain tow package which is REQUIRED to tow up to 11,100. To go above that you need Max Tow.

The Davis Dam portion of the J2807 must be conducted with temp at staring point of at least 100 degrees with AC on full set to coldest setting. Yeah, extra cooling does factor in to the 2807.

Page 27, under towing packages...
2016 Ford Brochure

[45Ricochet]

LMAO Marty. How do you do it :W
The forum should have like a wrong passkey code on a ipad.
To many attempts and your out.

[ShinerBock]

drittal wrote:
I'm saying you can't compare numbers from a 2011-2014 to a 2015 because all those changes made add up to different capability.

Yes, but none of those changes besides weight will effect its tow rating going by the J2807 test standards which is what I was talking about before you butted in the conversation and took it way off track.

[BenK]

Hey Mitch !!!...this just killed me...so funny and more so 'cuz so true...

mich800 wrote:

spud1957 wrote:

Not to say that GM and Dodge are innocent but Ford bends the rules more.

Hypocrisy annoys me, people need to look into mirrors. Let me hold a mirror in front of your face.

That is silly. Everyone knows that trolls do not have a reflection.

[drittal]

ShinerBock wrote:
If the 2011-2014 F150 couldn't handle more weight than the 9,800 lbs that the Ecoboost 3.55 was rated at then why was the exact same truck (frame and all), but with a 3.73 gear, rated for 11,300 lbs?

11-14 F150 with 11,300lbs towing needs either max payload or max towing package.

"The HD Payload Package and Max Tow Package BOTH include the following:
- Select-Shift Transmission (since the HD package automatically includes the Trailer Towing package, at least in Canada it does)
- Class IV hitch
- 7-pin wiring harness
- Super Engine Cooling
- Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler"

Your 3.55 Ecoboost does not have the oboe options that increase trailer towing capacity on the 11-14 f150.

[mich800]

spud1957 wrote:

Not to say that GM and Dodge are innocent but Ford bends the rules more.

Hypocrisy annoys me, people need to look into mirrors. Let me hold a mirror in front of your face.

That is silly. Everyone knows that trolls do not have a reflection.

[Me_Again]

FishOnOne wrote:

Flashman wrote:

drittal wrote:
I'm saying you can't compare numbers from a 2011-2014 to a 2015 because all those changes made add up to different capability.

Ford Fairy Dust.

Ford has been playing this game for years.

Not to say that GM and Dodge are innocent but Ford bends the rules more.

Flashgordan appears to be Butthurt... Please fill out form and report to this committee.

I take it that you have a thick pad of those forms close at hand! Or is it a full case of pads?

[FishOnOne]

Flashman wrote:

drittal wrote:
I'm saying you can't compare numbers from a 2011-2014 to a 2015 because all those changes made add up to different capability.

Ford Fairy Dust.

Ford has been playing this game for years.

Not to say that GM and Dodge are innocent but Ford bends the rules more.

Flashgordan appears to be Butthurt... Please fill out form and report to this committee.

[spud1957]

Not to say that GM and Dodge are innocent but Ford bends the rules more.

Hypocrisy annoys me, people need to look into mirrors. Let me hold a mirror in front of your face.

[Flashman]

drittal wrote:
I'm saying you can't compare numbers from a 2011-2014 to a 2015 because all those changes made add up to different capability.

Ford Fairy Dust.

Ford has been playing this game for years.

Not to say that GM and Dodge are innocent but Ford bends the rules more.

[drittal]

I'm saying you can't compare numbers from a 2011-2014 to a 2015 because all those changes made add up to different capability.

[ShinerBock]

drittal wrote:

Im reading a lot of increased, improved, and better...

Okay. What do you see that was increased, improved, or better that help increase the tow rating by 2,100 lbs besides weight savings?

Did they increase engine power? No.
Did they change transmissions? No
Did they change brakes? No.
Did they use different axles? No.
Did they use different leaf springs? No.
Did they increase the yield strength of the frame? No.


So you are saying it is only because of the frame that there is a 2,100 lb increase in the J2807 test standard and that the 2011-2014 ratings were just "fluffing" their number like I was originally posting about?. If the 2011-2014 F150 couldn't handle more weight than the 9,800 lbs that the Ecoboost 3.55 was rated at then why was the exact same truck (frame and all), but with a 3.73 gear, rated for 11,300 lbs?

[drittal]

"The all-new frame uses 78-percent high-strength steel - 23-percent more than the old truck's frame - to make it stiffer and more resilient,..."

Slashgear