Jeep Pickup (Gladiator)

[downtheroad]

Saw this on the net....Jeep is going back into the pickup market...
Thought it was interesting....and sorry if I am the last one to know and it has already been posted....

[FishOnOne]

dodge guy wrote:

He`s definitely not the smartest out there if he bought a Land Rover! those are probably the biggest POS on the road.

He's not the smartest when making a purchase and why I'm expecting him to replace the Land Rover anytime now. He'll go thru 1-2 vehicles/year with the jeep being the shortest ownership.

[Bionic_Man]

I love Jeeps. But I sure wouldn’t want a Wrangler to use if I had to do a lot of highway driving with it. Lots of better options for that.

[dodge_guy]

FishOnOne wrote:

intheburbs wrote:

mich800 wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

You did read my sig, right? 😉

Both of my Wranglers are rock-solid; so much so that I let my teenage kids drive them all the time. And when I rotate tires, I take them out on the highway at, shall we say, extralegal speeds, and again both rock-solid. Right up into triple digits.

A guy at work owned a jeep for ~1 month earlier this year and after driving it from Houston to San Antonio he couldn't stand the ride with the wandering problem. He traded it on a new Land Rover.

He`s definitely not the smartest out there if he bought a Land Rover! those are probably the biggest POS on the road.

[mich800]

intheburbs wrote:

mich800 wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

You did read my sig, right? 😉

Both of my Wranglers are rock-solid; so much so that I let my teenage kids drive them all the time. And when I rotate tires, I take them out on the highway at, shall we say, extralegal speeds, and again both rock-solid. Right up into triple digits.

I didn't say you couldn't drive them safe. I have thousands of miles on the JL's. But they wander with every wind blow and change in road. I personally would not want to tow much of anything with them. Maybe a quick trip. But anything longer just wouldn't be worth the effort for me personally.

[FishOnOne]

intheburbs wrote:

mich800 wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

You did read my sig, right? 😉

Both of my Wranglers are rock-solid; so much so that I let my teenage kids drive them all the time. And when I rotate tires, I take them out on the highway at, shall we say, extralegal speeds, and again both rock-solid. Right up into triple digits.

A guy at work owned a jeep for ~1 month earlier this year and after driving it from Houston to San Antonio he couldn't stand the ride with the wandering problem. He traded it on a new Land Rover.

[intheburbs]

mich800 wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

You did read my sig, right? 😉

Both of my Wranglers are rock-solid; so much so that I let my teenage kids drive them all the time. And when I rotate tires, I take them out on the highway at, shall we say, extralegal speeds, and again both rock-solid. Right up into triple digits.

[parker_rowe]

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

ETA: Answered my own question. It has Dana 44s front and rear.

Wheelbase doesn't hurt...the wheelbase on this new Jeep pickup is a few inches more than my Suburban!

They also redesigned the rear 5 link suspension with heavier parts, the grill openings were widened, and a larger cooling fan was installed. And it comes with 3.73 gears rather than 3.42's the non-Rubicon's usually get.

I read the diesel will have a slightly lower tow rating strictly because the intercooler/aftercooler for the turbo adds some heat to the cooling "stack".

This article has some good info on the changes made to increase tow and payload ratings.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-diesel-jeep-gladiator-pickup-130000498.html

[mich800]

intheburbs wrote:
Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

I am thinking wheel base is a pretty big factor. If you have spent much time in a wrangler even the unlimited wheeelbase versions they are not the best on road vehicle. I have yet to be in one that wasn't a wandering SOB on pavement. I cannot imagine a high profile 6k trailer behind one.

[intheburbs]

Kinda curious what's different about the Gladiator that they more than double the trailer tow rating of the Wrangler Unlimited. 7650 lbs towing capacity, which is a gigantic leap over the 3500 of the Wrangler. So what was the limiting factor in the Wrangler? Frame, brakes, receiver, axles, other? Looking at the specs, not sure how "3rd generation Dana heavy-duty axles" compare to the Dana 44? Is it more like a 60?

ETA: Answered my own question. It has Dana 44s front and rear.

[RobertRyan]

mowermech wrote:

discovery4us wrote:
Our Jeep dealer has been offering a conversion that looks a lot this one for about five years or so. There are probable 5 or 6 running around town, four door and two door wranglers.

Yep, the AEV Brute conversion (there may be others, I don't know). You can even get it with a Hemi V8 installed!
As with so many things, all it takes is time and money. LOTS of money!

Gladiator will be a " Hero" vehicle in the US for FCA

[mowermech]

discovery4us wrote:
Our Jeep dealer has been offering a conversion that looks a lot this one for about five years or so. There are probable 5 or 6 running around town, four door and two door wranglers.

Yep, the AEV Brute conversion (there may be others, I don't know). You can even get it with a Hemi V8 installed!
As with so many things, all it takes is time and money. LOTS of money!

[3TV]

For the last 40+ years I have gone back and forth between a small to midsize pickup, and a Jeep, for back country exploring (they call it overlanding these days). I don't do as difficult of terrain as I did decades ago, and a small pickup has made a better platform for back country exploring lately. Right now I own a Chevrolet ZR2 for that purpose. It works well with its improved suspension and front/rear lockers, but it is really limited by the small 30" tires it comes with. And 32s are as big as you can go without major changes. The main problem with the ZR2 though, is a relative lack of aftermarket products for it.

This Gladiator pickup truck will have a ton of aftermarket products made for it. Every offroad oriented aftermarket manufacturer in the world is going to be making products for it. Plus, 35s will fit with no lift, and 37s will fit with a 2" lift.

There will be a Gladiator in my garage within the next year or two. The only decision left to make is ... gas or diesel. 🙂

I still have the F350 for camper hauling and towing heavy, and that wont change.

[toedtoes]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Oh and don't count the Dakota out just yet! 😉

Keep telling me that! I want it so bad.

I'd really like to see a hybrid Dakota with a 6000lb tow capacity and a payload to match...

Leather or vinyl seats (no cloth) with seat heaters.

[Dadoffourgirls]

I saw a Gladiator on the freeway last night. It actually looks nice in the Red and Black.