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Looking for part time TV for under $20K

GearHead36
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I'm looking to get a truck to use for commuting, light utility work (stops at Lowe's, moving furniture to & from storage unit, etc), and part time towing. My wife and I would like to get a TT or FW, but we don't really plan on getting a big one. We have one child still living at home, and are a couple of years from being empty nesters, so we won't be needing something capable of sleeping 6. I suspect we'll stay under 10K lbs. This is on the high side for a 1/2 ton, so I'm favoring a 3/4 or 1 ton. And for the near future, I'll still be working, so we won't be full-timers. Most of the driving will likely be on my 9 mile daily commute. I also want some decent range on a tank of fuel. We live in an area prone to tornadoes. A few years ago, we lost power for about a week. Luckily, we had a vehicle with almost a full tank, and we had a place to go. We had to drive about 100 miles before we could get fuel. I would like to be able to get at least 100 miles on half a tank while towing. 150 or 200 would be better.

We don't plan on towing over 10000' mountain passes either. Most of our trips will likely be relatively flat roads to the beach.

Historically, I've been a Ford guy. Years ago, I wanted an F250/F350 with a 7.3 turbo diesel. Seems that they were always too expensive or had 300K miles. In looking over the various year models from Ford, I find that the 7.3's have the best reputation (by FAR) for being the most reliable. The 6.0's are the worst. The 6.4's and 6.7's are a bit better, but still aren't as good as the 7.3's. And the 7.3's are priced accordingly. My research has also shown that V10's have about the same tow ratings, but I know very little about their reliability and cost to operate. I've read through some of the "Diesel vs gas" thread (no, I haven't read all 400+ pages), and from the discussions there, the diesels are still cheaper in the long run than the big gas engines if you do a lot of towing. However, reading about problems with some of the Ford engines, I'm not sure that this is true for all of them. Then I came across ***Link Removed***this article (http://gearheads.org/15-used-pickup-trucks-you-should-avoid-at-all-cost/). According to that one, there are a LOT of lemons in the truck world.

I'm more interested in total cost of ownership and cost to operate vs mpg's. There's more to the cost of operating a vehicle than fuel economy. This was driven home with me a few years ago when I was into motorcycles. The maintenance costs on a high performance motorcycle (mostly tires) can exceed the fuel costs.

I also read about Cummins "common rail injectors", and how they're $5000 to replace. And I realize that there's a lot I don't know about diesels.

I've also historically not been a fan of Chevy's, but in this case, I'm looking for a tool to do a job. So whatever gives me the best bang for the buck.

I briefly considered SUV's like the Expedition. Some of them can tow over 9K. But I need the utility of a truck.

I'm no longer sold on Ford being the best. I'm not convinced that I need a diesel, but I'm also not convinced that I don't need one either. Due to the likelihood of it being used mostly for commuting, I'm favoring a gasser. I do know that I do NOT want a dually. Those things are great if you do a LOT of towing, and nothing else. But if I had to drive one to work every day, I think I'd be hating it. So... instead of asking on a mfr specific forum, I thought I'd ask here. You folks should be more knowledgeable on what's needed to meet the demands I'll be facing.

What would you guys recommend?
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falconbrother
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When I started looking for a TV I looked at all options. I mostly wanted to pay cash and not have to make payments (I'll save that for the camper). To find a nice diesel under $20,000 is tough. I saw a couple but, they had real high mileage. I think it will be tough to find one that's not a dog under $20,000. All of the decent one's I looked at were closer to $30,000 and up.

transamz9
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jerem0621 wrote:
GearHead36 wrote:
hellfirehydra wrote:
I'd say a gasser is probably more realistic for <$20k.

That's what I'm finding, too. I haven't found a single diesel under $20K with less than 100K miles.

hellfirehydra wrote:
All of the big 3 put out good gas engines. I'd stay away from the 5.4L's in the older Fords(not because of any inherent problems, just lack of power for towing 9k lbs).

I've heard this engine described as "an engineering disaster"

hellfirehydra wrote:

The V10 Ford engine is an absolutely reliable great engine and I would probably lean that direction if able.

OK. I'll put that one at the top of the list.


Just keep in mind that the V10 and the 5.4 are very similar in design. The V10 is a 5.4 with 2 more cylinders added. The 5.4's that had more issues were the ones with cam phasers found in the half ton chassis. The HD 5.4's were good motors. The V10 and the 5.4 did have some spark plug issues but these are very minor and very rare in comparison to say...one or two Diesel injectors going bad. These motors can also have Exhaust manifold studs break.

If you search hard enough you can find issues with all these trucks.

Also, if you want a 7.3 PSD then I wouldn't settle for anything less. They are old but they are relatively easy to work on. There are tons and tons out there with 100-125k miles which is barely broken in for these trucks. You just have to be patient and you will need to be prepared to travel.

When I bought my 1999 V10 CC LB Dually I traveled over four hours to get it. 139k miles and I spent $5,500.

Just scour Auto Trader, Craigslist, and Car Guru's and be ready to go travel to get your truck.

Thanks!

Jeremiah


One of my old bosses that I stay in contact with has an 02 F250 with the 5.4 in it. He sent me a text a couple years ago showing his truck past the 500,000 mark. Still runs like a sewing machine. He had his share of plugs blowing and a couple transmissions but he put that truck though HE!! when he worked here. He's one of those people that read the morning paper , talk on the cell phone and eats his breakfast sandwich at the same time while driving. I've driven that truck a many mile from the passenger seat while going places with him. LOL!
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APT
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2011+ Gas 3/4 or 1-ton. Try to find the 4.xx gears.
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Dadoffourgirls
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There is another alternative - a full size Van. They work great for moving stuff, bringing stuff from the Box store, and are easy to drive (non-extended). You can get an Express for much less than a pickup. You could currently get a 2016 one ton off rental van with under 20k miles for less than $24k. And older ones are cheaper yet. With the 32 gallon tank gas tank, you can go a long ways. I can get 8 mpg towing my trailer, so that puts me well pass 200 miles on a tank towing. They will also tow 9600lbs, and get 18 mpg on highway empty.
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jerem0621
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GearHead36 wrote:
hellfirehydra wrote:
I'd say a gasser is probably more realistic for <$20k.

That's what I'm finding, too. I haven't found a single diesel under $20K with less than 100K miles.

hellfirehydra wrote:
All of the big 3 put out good gas engines. I'd stay away from the 5.4L's in the older Fords(not because of any inherent problems, just lack of power for towing 9k lbs).

I've heard this engine described as "an engineering disaster"

hellfirehydra wrote:

The V10 Ford engine is an absolutely reliable great engine and I would probably lean that direction if able.

OK. I'll put that one at the top of the list.


Just keep in mind that the V10 and the 5.4 are very similar in design. The V10 is a 5.4 with 2 more cylinders added. The 5.4's that had more issues were the ones with cam phasers found in the half ton chassis. The HD 5.4's were good motors. The V10 and the 5.4 did have some spark plug issues but these are very minor and very rare in comparison to say...one or two Diesel injectors going bad. These motors can also have Exhaust manifold studs break.

If you search hard enough you can find issues with all these trucks.

Also, if you want a 7.3 PSD then I wouldn't settle for anything less. They are old but they are relatively easy to work on. There are tons and tons out there with 100-125k miles which is barely broken in for these trucks. You just have to be patient and you will need to be prepared to travel.

When I bought my 1999 V10 CC LB Dually I traveled over four hours to get it. 139k miles and I spent $5,500.

Just scour Auto Trader, Craigslist, and Car Guru's and be ready to go travel to get your truck.

Thanks!

Jeremiah
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LIKE2BUILD
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GearHead36 wrote:
hellfirehydra wrote:
I'd say a gasser is probably more realistic for <$20k.

That's what I'm finding, too. I haven't found a single diesel under $20K with less than 100K miles.

For your price range and desired towing capabilities you'll be served just fine by a 2500 gasser. Pick your brand/best deal because all 3 will do just fine.

I went diesel for several reasons but I owned an '04 Chevy 2500 HD with the 6.0L gas for 10 years. The truck was rock solid reliable and towed my 7,600lbs, 34'TT just fine. The only problems I encountered were common and easily fixable.
1) Knock Sensor
The knock sensor would trip a CEL. The problem is always the rear one and you have to pull the intake to remove and replace. I made the mistake of not replacing the wire harness at the same time. 6 months later I had to pull the intake again to install the new harness. The problem was gone for good after that.

2) Exhaust manifold leak
I don't know the exact reason, but if you tow with a GM 6.0L you WILL BREAK MANIFOLD BOLTS. It's nearly always the front and rear most bolts on both sides. I bought a set of Gibson stainless steel shorty headers for $350 and a local shop extracted the broken bolts and installed them for $300. Problem solved and I found the engine revved a bit quicker too.

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Lwiddis
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"We don't plan on towing over 10000' mountain passes either."

Ok but the West is quite different than what I've seen of Alabama which I liked a great deal. Try seeing our Alabama Hills south of Bishop, CA.
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GearHead36
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hellfirehydra wrote:
I'd say a gasser is probably more realistic for <$20k.

That's what I'm finding, too. I haven't found a single diesel under $20K with less than 100K miles.

hellfirehydra wrote:
All of the big 3 put out good gas engines. I'd stay away from the 5.4L's in the older Fords(not because of any inherent problems, just lack of power for towing 9k lbs).

I've heard this engine described as "an engineering disaster"

hellfirehydra wrote:

The V10 Ford engine is an absolutely reliable great engine and I would probably lean that direction if able.

OK. I'll put that one at the top of the list.

Ivylog
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The auto tranny behind the 7.3 gave problems, especially when towing so the 7.3 was only 235HP with it but the 6 speed manual was 275 HP.
A friend recently bought a 6.2 gasser and between the lack of power and poor mpg he took it back and traded for a 6.7 diesel. The 6.2 is pretty good engine but you will be lucky to get 8-9 towing a small trailer and only 12-13 on the road when not towing.
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mtofell1
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I agree a 2500 gasser meets your needs perfectly. No reason to pay the crazy price of a used diesel if you don't need it. All 3 brands are great. I'm in a Ram but could just have easily ended up in a Ford or Chevy/GMC. It's just a matter of trying them all and seeing what you like - kind of like a pair of jeans.

Not being "brand blind" is also very beneficial because you have so much more to choose from and can just grab whatever great find comes along.

GearHead36
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Chuck_thehammer wrote:
look into returned Fleet/Lease trucks...

How do I find fleet/lease trucks?

GearHead36
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Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Great first post!

You have all the info we need to give you a good answer.

I was almost afraid that I gave TOO much info.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
First the gas engines and trucks. All very good and reliable trucks IMHO. Pick out a good used one and you're good to go. The Ford 6.2 is a great engine! But so is the Hemi and 6.0 Chevy. If power is your gig the Ford or Hemi puts out the most.

Eh, if I wanted a hotrod, I'd buy a Mustang.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Now the diesels. You did your homework I can tell. And you're right on track with what you know. I would avoid the LB7 duramax unless the injectors were replaced. It's a 5K+ job and they will fail because the injectors were junk in those engines. If they are replaced the engine is fine.

See... this is the kind of thing that has me handcuffed. It's become overwhelming the number of engines and models that are problematic. Diesel trucks USED to be some of the most reliable vehicles on the road.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
The 7.3 is a great engine. Down on power for today but none the less a great engine! You won't need power for where you're towing anyway. want $ for them because they are so good and last a long time.
You can also tune them for more power if you want. The bad thing is they are very old. Everything in that truck is going to be old. The tranny's weren't known to be the best around either.

I don't doubt that it would tow well enough. The "everything is old" part concerns me, though.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
For your deal a diesel would be nice because you can store diesel a long time before it goes bad. It will also pull down about 30% better mileage. You can pretty much get either a gas or a diesel for what you're doing.

Good luck and happy hunting!

The mileage doesn't concern me too much, because that's only part of the operating cost. However, the huge tanks, and better mileage result in a great driving range, which IS something I can appreciate.

GearHead36
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Jebby14 wrote:
this has triton v10 gasser all over it. pay attention to payload numbers

Agreed, but like the 6.2, they're not very common either.

However, if I get enough uncommon options on my list, I should be able to find something in the area.

GearHead36
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JoeGood988 wrote:
Look into repo trucks...a bank or other listings...

How do you find repos?

GearHead36
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1jeep wrote:
2011 ford super duty with 6.2 gas engine is more than capable to tow 10k

That's what I thought, too, but those are not very common. I found two that are two hours away.

1jeep wrote:
as is the GM 6.0 in the 2500 or 3500. Im sure the Ram with the 6.4 hemi in the 2500/3500 will tow it also.

Good info.

1jeep wrote:
Your best bet is any of the 3 gas engines, cab and options will determine the price.

Thanks.