Most American made truck

[ssthrd]

Never thought about this much, but this is interesting reading with a few surprises. I wonder how valid the stats are............

Most American made truck

[Reisender]

Bionic Man wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:

Groover wrote:

Reisender wrote:
Found this on TMC. 2020 stats. My guess is the both the Cybertruck and the Rivian will both be high on the list. Looks like Cybertruck will be built in Texas. Rivian has a facility in Illionois but has not announced where the truck will be built.

One thing to keep in mind is that Tesla exports a lot of vehicles too. I am fine with importing some parts as long as the trade is balanced. I suspect that Tesla is doing more than any other auto maker to balance our trade deficit.

They are also taking more subsidies than any other U.S. auto maker.....

I’m not up on the subsidies thing. What kind of subsidies do they get?

$7500 per car from the feds. Variable from from each state. I believe that subsidy is for 200,000 cars per year.

I’m not sure but I don’t think so. I think you are referring to the tax credit that Tesla purchasers used to get. It wasn’t a subsidy to Tesla and Tesla didn’t receive any of the funds. The purchaser got a 7500 tax credit. But that was all over at the beginning of 2019. It was reduced in stages until end 2019 when it was completely eliminated. However, Ford, BMW, Nissan, Mercedes, Toyota, purchasers etc etc are still eligible for that 7500. Not TESLA purchasers.

I’m not up on what manufacturers get what subsidies but I’m not aware of Tesla getting any.

[Bionic_Man]

Reisender wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:

Groover wrote:

Reisender wrote:
Found this on TMC. 2020 stats. My guess is the both the Cybertruck and the Rivian will both be high on the list. Looks like Cybertruck will be built in Texas. Rivian has a facility in Illionois but has not announced where the truck will be built.

One thing to keep in mind is that Tesla exports a lot of vehicles too. I am fine with importing some parts as long as the trade is balanced. I suspect that Tesla is doing more than any other auto maker to balance our trade deficit.

They are also taking more subsidies than any other U.S. auto maker.....

I’m not up on the subsidies thing. What kind of subsidies do they get?

$7500 per car from the feds. Variable from from each state. I believe that subsidy is for 200,000 cars per year.

[Reisender]

Bionic Man wrote:

Groover wrote:

Reisender wrote:
Found this on TMC. 2020 stats. My guess is the both the Cybertruck and the Rivian will both be high on the list. Looks like Cybertruck will be built in Texas. Rivian has a facility in Illionois but has not announced where the truck will be built.

One thing to keep in mind is that Tesla exports a lot of vehicles too. I am fine with importing some parts as long as the trade is balanced. I suspect that Tesla is doing more than any other auto maker to balance our trade deficit.

They are also taking more subsidies than any other U.S. auto maker.....

I’m not up on the subsidies thing. What kind of subsidies do they get?

[Bionic_Man]

Groover wrote:

Reisender wrote:
Found this on TMC. 2020 stats. My guess is the both the Cybertruck and the Rivian will both be high on the list. Looks like Cybertruck will be built in Texas. Rivian has a facility in Illionois but has not announced where the truck will be built.

One thing to keep in mind is that Tesla exports a lot of vehicles too. I am fine with importing some parts as long as the trade is balanced. I suspect that Tesla is doing more than any other auto maker to balance our trade deficit.

They are also taking more subsidies than any other U.S. auto maker.....

[RetiredRealtorR]

rhagfo wrote:

RobWNY wrote:
So where are all the parts of the vehicles made? Assembling is one thing. Assembling parts made outside of the United States doesn't really scream "Made in America" to me. It screams "Assembled in America". I'd like to know the percentage of parts that are made in america and then assembled in America for each car and truck.

Well haven’t looked at the shocks on our 2016 Ram yet, but the OEMs on the 2001 were made in Brazil.

Pretty good chance that whole 2001 was made in Mexico.

[Groover]

Reisender wrote:
Found this on TMC. 2020 stats. My guess is the both the Cybertruck and the Rivian will both be high on the list. Looks like Cybertruck will be built in Texas. Rivian has a facility in Illionois but has not announced where the truck will be built.

One thing to keep in mind is that Tesla exports a lot of vehicles too. I am fine with importing some parts as long as the trade is balanced. I suspect that Tesla is doing more than any other auto maker to balance our trade deficit.

[Jebby14]

my f150 was assembled less than an hour from home. its 5.O was made less than 15 min from home (by family members)

I'm I've been a mechanical designer (engineering manager now but still) for many years. I have done a ton of work for all of the big 3. I have done 2 jobs for honda, a handfull for vw, bmw or mercedies. NOT A SINGLE ONE for the rest of the asian manufactures. numbers can be made to say anything. ill put my money into the companeis that feed it back to me.

[RetiredRealtorR]

pitch wrote:
Does'nt make any difference today. In fact some of the manufacturing, the dirty part may be better if done off shore.
We are in a much better position than we would be if all vehicles were 100%built in the country of their nameplate.
Where would we be if Honda,Volkswagon, BMW returned all their manufacturing to country of origin.
The beauty of "assembled" here is not the number of jobs in a particular plant. It is the ancillary and associated businesses that the plant supports. Maybe Airgas had to put n two extra trucks to support the plant,maybe Sally can employ 7 people at her diner, Maybe the local car dealers can sell several hundred cars to the factory workers with the Japanese paycheck in their pocket.
We are in a global economy and barring a world war or planetary disaster we always will be. So quitcherbitchin and appreciate what we do have.

Well said! Thank you for your on-point perspective.

[pitch]

Does'nt make any difference today. In fact some of the manufacturing, the dirty part may be better if done off shore.
We are in a much better position than we would be if all vehicles were 100%built in the country of their nameplate.
Where would we be if Honda,Volkswagon, BMW returned all their manufacturing to country of origin.
The beauty of "assembled" here is not the number of jobs in a particular plant. It is the ancillary and associated businesses that the plant supports. Maybe Airgas had to put n two extra trucks to support the plant,maybe Sally can employ 7 people at her diner, Maybe the local car dealers can sell several hundred cars to the factory workers with the Japanese paycheck in their pocket.
We are in a global economy and barring a world war or planetary disaster we always will be. So quitcherbitchin and appreciate what we do have.

[BurbMan]

Also worth noting that "truck is only 150/1500 series for purposes of their analysis. According to the article:

Missing from the consideration set are heavy-duty vehicles, which have a gross vehicle weight rating of 8,500 pounds or more. Those are exempt from the AALA and thus lack published parts content.

philh wrote:
If an OEM imports an incomplete alternator, it's missing say something like a ground wire and screw, and that is installed in NA, the cost of the whole product is considered NA content.

But an American worker installed that screw! Point is that we are in a global economy even if these numbers don't tell the whole story.

[rhagfo]

RobWNY wrote:
So where are all the parts of the vehicles made? Assembling is one thing. Assembling parts made outside of the United States doesn't really scream "Made in America" to me. It screams "Assembled in America". I'd like to know the percentage of parts that are made in america and then assembled in America for each car and truck.

Well haven’t looked at the shocks on our 2016 Ram yet, but the OEMs on the 2001 were made in Brazil.

[Reisender]

Found this on TMC. 2020 stats. My guess is the both the Cybertruck and the Rivian will both be high on the list. Looks like Cybertruck will be built in Texas. Rivian has a facility in Illionois but has not announced where the truck will be built.

[JIMNLIN]

One thing we do know is a engine or tranny or any automotive parts can be made over seas but because all those foreign made parts are assembled in the USA it gets the "made in the USA" stamp.
The new made in the USA rules came in the mid '00s.

[philh]

It a useless and ridiculous calculation.

If an OEM imports an incomplete alternator, it's missing say something like a ground wire and screw, and that is installed in NA, the cost of the whole product is considered NA content.