New 2020 Ford HD gasser engine coming

[agesilaus]

Maybe a 7.3

[Groover]

agesilaus wrote:
The biggest threat to the new transmission is electric drive trains. I drove a Model 3 dual motor a few days ago and learned what power really is. Keep in mind that Tesla is using the same motor package in their new class 8's so don't say that they are not sturdy enough for a pickup. They do plan to use 4 in the class 8's but that still leaves them plenty sturdy for a pickup.
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Maybe but the massive battery pack would drastically cut into the payload and I don't see an electric getting 500 miles/tank like my diesel does. It's 'Pie in the Sky' as Joe Hill once said.
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I am not ready to go full electric yet, mostly until charge stations become more common and more powerful but they are coming. I would love a serious hybrid based on a two wheel drive truck with the front axle driven by an electric motor of 200hp or more and about 50 times the battery pack that Ram is using. It will be interesting to see what Ford comes out with in 2020.

You may not have read the reports but Tesla seems to be getting 600 miles per charge on the class 8 prototypes and they have a very useful payload. It can and will be done sooner or later. Probably sooner if Elon has his way. The battery packs probably won't weigh any more than a Cummins with transmission. A few numbers to chew on, in this country Tesla outsold BMW last month and the Model 3 brought in more revenue than any other car. Be careful not to get the deer in the headlights look when he starts making pickups.

[agesilaus]

The biggest threat to the new transmission is electric drive trains. I drove a Model 3 dual motor a few days ago and learned what power really is. Keep in mind that Tesla is using the same motor package in their new class 8's so don't say that they are not sturdy enough for a pickup. They do plan to use 4 in the class 8's but that still leaves them plenty sturdy for a pickup.
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Maybe but the massive battery pack would drastically cut into the payload and I don't see an electric getting 500 miles/tank like my diesel does. It's 'Pie in the Sky' as Joe Hill once said.
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[ib516]

Maybe they will have both engines available like RAM does. 6.2L for the XL and XLT (work truck) and the 7.3L for the Lariat etc. It's a money maker to upcharge for the bigger gas engine.

[Groover]

Fordlover wrote:
Ford just developed a new version of the torqueshift transmission for the F-250 6.2 for 2017. I doubt they are going to throw all that development $$ away and dump the 6.2 along with it 3 years down the road unless there is a major market shift or some other unforeseeable event. That kind of poor development $$ spend will get you fired quick like.

They develop transmissions for general power and torque ratings, not specific engines. I doubt that the new transmission will be discarded just because a new engine came out, especially one that was in development when the transmission was released.

The biggest threat to the new transmission is electric drive trains. I drove a Model 3 dual motor a few days ago and learned what power really is. Keep in mind that Tesla is using the same motor package in their new class 8's so don't say that they are not sturdy enough for a pickup. They do plan to use 4 in the class 8's but that still leaves them plenty sturdy for a pickup.

[Fordlover]

Ford just developed a new version of the torqueshift transmission for the F-250 6.2 for 2017. I doubt they are going to throw all that development $$ away and dump the 6.2 along with it 3 years down the road unless there is a major market shift or some other unforeseeable event. That kind of poor development $$ spend will get you fired quick like.

[JIMNLIN]

I can see a actual big block gazzer in the higher GVWR F350 SRW and DRW trucks leaving the smaller 6.2 for F250 and maybe some of the 10k gvwr one ton SRW trucks.

More than one Ford truck owner bit into the 6.2 towing a 15k lb trailer then complained about performance and then swapping for the 6.7 diesel.
The seven three big block would fill the void between the 6.2 and 6.7 diesel.

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Interesting point. I agree that it would seem strange to drop a relatively new motor from production. I wonder if details will emerge at the State Fair of TX as per the Ford norm...

[harmanrk]

P558, includes both the pickup with bed, and the chassis cab. The reference to 3 products rules out KTP, which only makes P558 (Super Duty) and T3 (Exp/Navigator)

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P558 is Super Duty pickups. That would indicate KTP not OHAP.

[harmanrk]

taken wrote:

Fordlover wrote:
My guess is the 6.2 will stick around, especially in the F-250/350 as it is only 8 years old, and was a new design in 2011. But will be interesting to see what the availability is of this new 7.3 V8. The 6.2 is thirsty as any large V8 will be, but has impressive power in my opinion.

Don't bet on it.

Yup, Ohio Assembly (of which that memo is about) with 3 product lines, 450/550 Chassis cab, E series Chassis cab, and the Medium Duty 650/750 lines will drop the 6.8 and the 6.2. and pick up the 7.3. Note the memo mentions nothing 3.5 used in Kentucky Trucks second production line. The 6.2 should have a good life ahead of it in the 250 and 350 trucks.

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Fordlover wrote:
My guess is the 6.2 will stick around, especially in the F-250/350 as it is only 8 years old, and was a new design in 2011. But will be interesting to see what the availability is of this new 7.3 V8. The 6.2 is thirsty as any large V8 will be, but has impressive power in my opinion.

Don't bet on it.

[FishOnOne]

I'm looking forward to the performance numbers from this big block power plant.

I'm sure it's going to be a real jewel.

[spud1957]

Already been discussed. Then went into the typical gas vs diesel discussion.

7.3 Thread

[fla-gypsy]

I'd be game. I love my 6.8L but could go for a little more torque and a little less fuel consumption.

[Fordlover]

This is a replacement for the 6.8 V10 which is at end of life, the last of the 90's mod motors still in production. My guess is the 6.2 will stick around, especially in the F-250/350 as it is only 8 years old, and was a new design in 2011. But will be interesting to see what the availability is of this new 7.3 V8. The 6.2 is thirsty as any large V8 will be, but has impressive power in my opinion.