New Big Dog on the block

[maxwell11]

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2015-ford-f-450-super-duty-platinum-first-test/

article in Motor Trend this month.

I might trade my old Dodge for this thing.

wow, $75K tow 31,200

that should handle my little Jayco, at least I would look good driving it around,

[v10superduty]

transamz9 wrote:

I don't know where you get your info from

Well the information is out there that most major fleets use F-Superdutys. In our part of the world you can just stand outside the coffee shop and see it. Maybe because of the extreme weather and really poor road conditions up there, the use of F-SDs is more pronounced.
My specific knowledge of the issues with the HD series Cummins powered trucks comes directly form the gen mngr at dealership I recently retired from. He spent 12 years as service mngr at that brand. He was quite aware of the numerous front suspension/steering/electrical issues that occurred regularly at fairly low mileages.

[DirtyOil]

FishOnOne wrote:

Flashman wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

boshog wrote:
Interesting discussion in this thread. While it is OK to be a fanboy of a specific brand, I really think some folks get a little carried away defending their brand with out-of-ontext statements and just plain false information.

Let's not forget the screwing Ford laid on the Powerstroke users with years of warranty denials as their design evolved. The Duramax had issues too but GM backed them up. The current Powerstroke (Duramax too) have issues albeit not as major as in the past. Ford and the Powerstroke's designer AVL, have managed to get a longer stroke in a V8 configuration bringing the low end grunt closer to a long stoking Cummins in-line six. Yeah for them, this sets the stage for an all around good performing engine.

Most of us here all pulling weights around the country and have little interest in zero to 60 times, or the few seconds difference pulling a load up the mountain. What we really want is good MPG and reliability, and that is exactly what the Cummins delivers historically, something neither GM or Ford can even come close to claiming and supporting.

Maybe the future will change this but Ford is going to have to earn it and so far they are not. They still offer a less powertrain warranty as does GM compared to the RAM Cummins. Ford still will not rate their Superduties against the SAE towing standard, something GM started doing for model year 2016 and RAM has been doing since 2014 model year.

When I started to read the above post I initially thought it was going to be a legitimate post with some actual facts, but after the first paragraph I was wrong. This post is chalked full of wrong information right down to the reliability of the cummins. If your above post was referring to the 5.9 I would agree, but the 6.7 and it's emissions equipment does not support the legend. And the warranty of the Duramax and the Power Stroke is the same as ram.

I can say I got to spend some time with my cousin this past Christmas who works on these 5.9/6.7's and for some owners they had some very expensive bills last year.

Your cousin

LOL

Yep my cousin... He's been wrenching on diesel trucks starting at a Ford dealer in '93 and now works mainly on Ram diesel's.

And Cousin has been enjoying working on the Rams...longer coffee breaks and lunch breaks (not much else going on in the shop anyways) :B

[FishOnOne]

Flashman wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

boshog wrote:
Interesting discussion in this thread. While it is OK to be a fanboy of a specific brand, I really think some folks get a little carried away defending their brand with out-of-ontext statements and just plain false information.

Let's not forget the screwing Ford laid on the Powerstroke users with years of warranty denials as their design evolved. The Duramax had issues too but GM backed them up. The current Powerstroke (Duramax too) have issues albeit not as major as in the past. Ford and the Powerstroke's designer AVL, have managed to get a longer stroke in a V8 configuration bringing the low end grunt closer to a long stoking Cummins in-line six. Yeah for them, this sets the stage for an all around good performing engine.

Most of us here all pulling weights around the country and have little interest in zero to 60 times, or the few seconds difference pulling a load up the mountain. What we really want is good MPG and reliability, and that is exactly what the Cummins delivers historically, something neither GM or Ford can even come close to claiming and supporting.

Maybe the future will change this but Ford is going to have to earn it and so far they are not. They still offer a less powertrain warranty as does GM compared to the RAM Cummins. Ford still will not rate their Superduties against the SAE towing standard, something GM started doing for model year 2016 and RAM has been doing since 2014 model year.

When I started to read the above post I initially thought it was going to be a legitimate post with some actual facts, but after the first paragraph I was wrong. This post is chalked full of wrong information right down to the reliability of the cummins. If your above post was referring to the 5.9 I would agree, but the 6.7 and it's emissions equipment does not support the legend. And the warranty of the Duramax and the Power Stroke is the same as ram.

I can say I got to spend some time with my cousin this past Christmas who works on these 5.9/6.7's and for some owners they had some very expensive bills last year.

Your cousin

LOL

Yep my cousin... He's been wrenching on diesel trucks starting at a Ford dealer in '93 and now works mainly on Ram diesel's.

[transamz9]

v10superduty wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

v10superduty wrote:

blofgren wrote:


I bought my truck with long term ENGINE reliability in mind which the Cummins has a pretty impressive record of.

:B

Here, I fixed it for ya.. Added the word (engine) for you
That makes your comment accurate and believable.

Most every fleet owner and educated individuals know that the Ford chassis holds up the best and has the lower operating expense over the long haul.

I don't know where you get your info from but my file cabinet in my office says otherwise.

Not sure if you got the jist of my post?
I agree the Cummins has pretty impressive record.
The rest of the truck...Hmmm? :h

I know what the most is. My f350 has had rear end problems. Front end pretty much replaced. That's just mine. I have 6 more f350's and don't know how many 150's that I take care of. We also have Rams, GM , Tundra and Nissan.

[Flashman]

FishOnOne wrote:

boshog wrote:
Interesting discussion in this thread. While it is OK to be a fanboy of a specific brand, I really think some folks get a little carried away defending their brand with out-of-ontext statements and just plain false information.

Let's not forget the screwing Ford laid on the Powerstroke users with years of warranty denials as their design evolved. The Duramax had issues too but GM backed them up. The current Powerstroke (Duramax too) have issues albeit not as major as in the past. Ford and the Powerstroke's designer AVL, have managed to get a longer stroke in a V8 configuration bringing the low end grunt closer to a long stoking Cummins in-line six. Yeah for them, this sets the stage for an all around good performing engine.

Most of us here all pulling weights around the country and have little interest in zero to 60 times, or the few seconds difference pulling a load up the mountain. What we really want is good MPG and reliability, and that is exactly what the Cummins delivers historically, something neither GM or Ford can even come close to claiming and supporting.

Maybe the future will change this but Ford is going to have to earn it and so far they are not. They still offer a less powertrain warranty as does GM compared to the RAM Cummins. Ford still will not rate their Superduties against the SAE towing standard, something GM started doing for model year 2016 and RAM has been doing since 2014 model year.

When I started to read the above post I initially thought it was going to be a legitimate post with some actual facts, but after the first paragraph I was wrong. This post is chalked full of wrong information right down to the reliability of the cummins. If your above post was referring to the 5.9 I would agree, but the 6.7 and it's emissions equipment does not support the legend. And the warranty of the Duramax and the Power Stroke is the same as ram.

I can say I got to spend some time with my cousin this past Christmas who works on these 5.9/6.7's and for some owners they had some very expensive bills last year.

Your cousin

LOL

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:


When I started to read the above post I initially thought it was going to be a legitimate post with some actual facts, but after the first paragraph I was wrong. This post is chalked full of wrong information right down to the reliability of the cummins. If your above post was referring to the 5.9 I would agree, but the 6.7 and it's emissions equipment does not support the legend. And the warranty of the Duramax and the Power Stroke is the same as ram.

I can say I got to spend some time with my cousin this past Christmas who works on these 5.9/6.7's and for some owners they had some very expensive bills last year.

Yes, the emissions devices did cause issues for the pre SCR/DEF Cummins just like it did with the 6.4L Powerstroke. The reason why it caused more issues for the Cummins is because they were over utilizing the EGR to meet the 2010 emissions back in 2007 while the 6.4L only met the 2007 emissions and NOT the 2010. If Cummins/Ram would have decided to just meet the 2007 emissions instead of getting ahead of themselves by meeting the 2010 then the issues would have been less. Still the issues are not that much different than the 6.4L had with EGR emissions failures. However, that all changed with Ram/Cummins going to DEF in 2013 for their pickups and 2011 for their cab and chassis trucks.

I have friends and family members that work at Ford dealerships too and I even worked at one. To say that the Powerstrokes don't have expensive repairs while insinuating the Cummins does is a false one. Fords and GMs have their CP4 issues while Cummins had their emissions issues before SCR/DEF.

With the Ford and GM CP4 issue it is not an issue of if, but when since it is a mechanical part and all mechanical parts fail. The difference between the CP3 and CP4 is the damage they cause when they fail and how sensitive they are to failure due to fuel contamination. When the CP4 fails(which all will at one point), then it grenades causing owners to replace entire fuel systems amounting to $10k repair bills to where it is just a simple HPFP replacement for the CP3 since they are not prone to grenade. Then there is the issue of sensitivity to fuel contamination. Due to how the CP4 gets it's cooling, it is A LOT more sensitive to fuel contamination than the CP3. So to say that there is only and issue with one while there is not with another is a 100% false statement.

Also, the 'seat of your pants" feel with the Cummins has more to do with how Ram tuned the throttle causing slow ramp up than the engine. This can be tuned out or fixed with a module like my BD throttle booster. Without my truck tuned, my neighbor and cousin who both have 2012 Powerstroke's even stated that it gets off the line with less input than their Powerstrokes with mine set at only 50% increased throttle sensitivity. It essentially increases ramp up to a more instant feel instead of the slow boost and fuel ramp up Ram tuned into the throttle. The power from the engine is there, you just have to bypass all the **** Ram did to nerf it.

[ShinerBock]

Rangerman40 wrote:

You really get your panties in a wad don't ya??? Ford should probably stop producing the F350 if this is the route they want to go because there isn't enough difference between the two. I'm sure the 2017 F350 will be more in line with RAMs 3500 specs but they had to do something quickly or chance loosing the "towing wars" completely.

Nope, no panties in a wad here. Just stating the obvious that there is no law on the books that states that the number on the door dictates how much that truck can tow or haul, and manufacturers can use whatever number they want. On the topic of "towing wars", if you are looking for a Crew Cab 4wd truck then Ford is actually winning the "towing wars" since the only Ram that is rated to tow more is in a regular cab 2WD configuration. However, it is just a pissing contest for marketing rights, nothing more.

[FishOnOne]

boshog wrote:
Interesting discussion in this thread. While it is OK to be a fanboy of a specific brand, I really think some folks get a little carried away defending their brand with out-of-ontext statements and just plain false information.

Let's not forget the screwing Ford laid on the Powerstroke users with years of warranty denials as their design evolved. The Duramax had issues too but GM backed them up. The current Powerstroke (Duramax too) have issues albeit not as major as in the past. Ford and the Powerstroke's designer AVL, have managed to get a longer stroke in a V8 configuration bringing the low end grunt closer to a long stoking Cummins in-line six. Yeah for them, this sets the stage for an all around good performing engine.

Most of us here all pulling weights around the country and have little interest in zero to 60 times, or the few seconds difference pulling a load up the mountain. What we really want is good MPG and reliability, and that is exactly what the Cummins delivers historically, something neither GM or Ford can even come close to claiming and supporting.

Maybe the future will change this but Ford is going to have to earn it and so far they are not. They still offer a less powertrain warranty as does GM compared to the RAM Cummins. Ford still will not rate their Superduties against the SAE towing standard, something GM started doing for model year 2016 and RAM has been doing since 2014 model year.

When I started to read the above post I initially thought it was going to be a legitimate post with some actual facts, but after the first paragraph I was wrong. This post is chalked full of wrong information right down to the reliability of the cummins. If your above post was referring to the 5.9 I would agree, but the 6.7 and it's emissions equipment does not support the legend. And the warranty of the Duramax and the Power Stroke is the same as ram.

I can say I got to spend some time with my cousin this past Christmas who works on these 5.9/6.7's and for some owners they had some very expensive bills last year.

[Bionic_Man]

^^^Pretty sure everyone could get the just of your post.

I am very loyal to Dodge/RAM because I have had good experience with all parts of the vehicle.

Plenty of people on the other side of the argument though. And the same could be said for all brands.

[v10superduty]

transamz9 wrote:

v10superduty wrote:

blofgren wrote:


I bought my truck with long term ENGINE reliability in mind which the Cummins has a pretty impressive record of.

:B

Here, I fixed it for ya.. Added the word (engine) for you
That makes your comment accurate and believable.

Most every fleet owner and educated individuals know that the Ford chassis holds up the best and has the lower operating expense over the long haul.

I don't know where you get your info from but my file cabinet in my office says otherwise.

Not sure if you got the jist of my post?
I agree the Cummins has pretty impressive record.
The rest of the truck...Hmmm? :h

[IdaD]

davidaf wrote:
I didn't noticed the Ford sagging any more than my previous Ram but then again my springs where kinda old. I agree, they all need an airbag option since a lot of us add them no matter the brand. What I'd love to see from Ram: First Copy Fords mirrors already the little sliver of a blind spot mirror is pretty sad and Second add a wide track front end, once you have it you wont want to go back. On my test drive, I actually "had" to use the backup camera and was at full lock way too soon. Of course you get used to things and I'd get used to the mirrors and turning radius but those points jumped out.

Is there an advantage to the wide track front end aside from turning radius? It looks like the 450 turns tighter than the 350, but still not quite as tight as the equivalent Ram 3500 (very close, though).

[boshog]

Interesting discussion in this thread. While it is OK to be a fanboy of a specific brand, I really think some folks get a little carried away defending their brand with out-of-ontext statements and just plain false information.

Let's not forget the screwing Ford laid on the Powerstroke users with years of warranty denials as their design evolved. The Duramax had issues too but GM backed them up. The current Powerstroke (Duramax too) have issues albeit not as major as in the past. Ford and the Powerstroke's designer AVL, have managed to get a longer stroke in a V8 configuration bringing the low end grunt closer to a long stoking Cummins in-line six. Yeah for them, this sets the stage for an all around good performing engine.

Most of us here all pulling weights around the country and have little interest in zero to 60 times, or the few seconds difference pulling a load up the mountain. What we really want is good MPG and reliability, and that is exactly what the Cummins delivers historically, something neither GM or Ford can even come close to claiming and supporting.

Maybe the future will change this but Ford is going to have to earn it and so far they are not. They still offer a less powertrain warranty as does GM compared to the RAM Cummins. Ford still will not rate their Superduties against the SAE towing standard, something GM started doing for model year 2016 and RAM has been doing since 2014 model year.

[Slownsy]

Springs are meant too sag when a load is aded.
Frank

[davidaf]

I didn't noticed the Ford sagging any more than my previous Ram but then again my springs where kinda old. I agree, they all need an airbag option since a lot of us add them no matter the brand. What I'd love to see from Ram: First Copy Fords mirrors already the little sliver of a blind spot mirror is pretty sad and Second add a wide track front end, once you have it you wont want to go back. On my test drive, I actually "had" to use the backup camera and was at full lock way too soon. Of course you get used to things and I'd get used to the mirrors and turning radius but those points jumped out.

[irishtom29]

"Ram Longhorn", that's funny.