Pros/Cons Chevy vs. Ford 1 Ton Diesel 4x4

[Ventura_Dogman]

I am not intending to start a flame war, but just curious on the pros and cons of the two brands. I am likely going to buy a 2016. I know each must have its "issues" and strengths and each will have its fans and detractors. I am mostly trying to sort out which makes the most sense for me based on what I can learn of each. I have spent some time on the Ford forums and the Duramax forum, but just trying to get other opinions. Any input is appreciated.

[1jeep]

OP, not sure if you've seen this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCygT6mGcT8

[Huntindog]

spoon059 wrote:

travelnutz wrote:
Allison Transmissions are made in Baltimore, Maryland made by U.S. workers.

Really? I didn't know Allison was a Baltimore product. That's pretty cool, right in my backyard!

The GM products seem to be great. I just do not like GM and cannot foresee myself supporting that company.

That being said, the Duramax has been a solid engine for a long time. The Allison transmission has been solid for a long time too. GM has consistently had lower HP and torque than Ram and Ford, yet they can still pull weights up the Eisenhower at about the same speed as the Ram and Ford. It kinda makes you feel like the HP and torque wars aren't worth the pissing contest they (and we here) have made it out to be.

On that note, I don't think you can go wrong with either the Ford or the Chevy diesel right now (or Ram, but OP doesn't want that... his choice). Unless you NEED the extra GCVWR of the Ford, I don't see much of a mechanical difference between the two trucks. Find the one that fits your butt and your budget and put a LOT of miles on it with a smile on your face!

Actually in the tests I have seen, The GM has won, usually by a substantial margin. I haven't seen a test latley though... Has the been any?

[spoon059]

travelnutz wrote:
Allison Transmissions are made in Baltimore, Maryland made by U.S. workers.

Really? I didn't know Allison was a Baltimore product. That's pretty cool, right in my backyard!

The GM products seem to be great. I just do not like GM and cannot foresee myself supporting that company.

That being said, the Duramax has been a solid engine for a long time. The Allison transmission has been solid for a long time too. GM has consistently had lower HP and torque than Ram and Ford, yet they can still pull weights up the Eisenhower at about the same speed as the Ram and Ford. It kinda makes you feel like the HP and torque wars aren't worth the pissing contest they (and we here) have made it out to be.

On that note, I don't think you can go wrong with either the Ford or the Chevy diesel right now (or Ram, but OP doesn't want that... his choice). Unless you NEED the extra GCVWR of the Ford, I don't see much of a mechanical difference between the two trucks. Find the one that fits your butt and your budget and put a LOT of miles on it with a smile on your face!

[travelnutz]

dshelley,

OK, as for GM, they own 100% of Duramax 6.6 and build the engines in Moraine, Ohio with U.S. workers and the Allison Transmissions are made in Baltimore, Maryland made by U.S. workers. Both the Duramax 6.6 and the Allison transmissions are the same basic engine and transmission for 15 years running now and have a very fine long time history record. Doing it right the first time really counts!

Ford has had 3 total redesign diesel engine versions of their diesel engine during the same period (6.0, 6.4, and 6.7) and does anyone really need a reminder of the well established history of the 6.0 and 6.4 or the refusal to repair under warranty of the 6.7 CP4 ultra expensive out of owners pocket repair costs? Any more questions?

I rest my case, your Honor!

[dshelley]

Ventura Dogman asked for experiences and opinions of 1 ton 4x4 GM and Ford diesel trucks. Many of us might include the Ram on our consideration list, but he didn't. This one is certain to be closed soon if it does not get back on track. Please, let's respect his request.

[mich800]

Cummins12V98 wrote:


Interesting! I know for a FACT Cummins is working on the 2019 6.7 for the RAM trucks. I got this from the lady that is working on it at the Cummins factory.

That doesn't really mean anything. They all are working on and developing multiple years out. If everything was written in stone just because they were working in it we whould have had baby diesels in all brands half ton trucks for several years now. With that said I highly doubt changes like that even if there was a merger.

And my comment was a joke. Everyone knows Ford owns Lego so they wouldn't buy Ram just to get Cummins which they also own. 😄

[1jeep]

im not a ram fan but it will be a sad day if/when china buys them, I see nothing good coming from that type of move.

[Cummins12V98]

travelnutz wrote:
It's not a rumor, it's presently in negotiations as FCA doesn't have a sustainable future due to long term debt etc and China is the only one so far to even enter into actual negotiations with FCA. FCA's days are numbered either way! It's not a major share holder proposal but a total buyout/take over and Cummins engines will not be included after take over as China will supply their own diesel engines made in China as they can produce the engines at a fraction of the cost of buying from Cummins. It's one of the major areas of the negotiations along with a total vehicle re-alignment and production locations/plants. Stay tuned!

Interesting! I know for a FACT Cummins is working on the 2019 6.7 for the RAM trucks. I got this from the lady that is working on it at the Cummins factory.

[travelnutz]

It's not a rumor, it's presently in negotiations as FCA doesn't have a sustainable future due to long term debt etc and China is the only one so far to even enter into actual negotiations with FCA. FCA's days are numbered either way! It's not a major share holder proposal but a total buyout/take over and Cummins engines will not be included after take over as China will supply their own diesel engines made in China as they can produce the engines at a fraction of the cost of buying from Cummins. It's one of the major areas of the negotiations along with a total vehicle re-alignment and production locations/plants. Stay tuned!

[FishOnOne]

Bird Freak wrote:

mich800 wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
The 17 Fords should be perfect since they have had 18 years to get it all right with the complete new design.

I bet your right! And they can even build their very own drive trains.:S

The new rumor on the street is Marchionne courting Lego in a possible merger. He feels it will create good economies of scale and are the perfect suitor to piece together their truck line.:B

Now that's funny!!:B

Rumor on the street is that GAC(China)maybe has a deal in the works to be the major share holder of FCA.

[Bird_Freak]

mich800 wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
The 17 Fords should be perfect since they have had 18 years to get it all right with the complete new design.

I bet your right! And they can even build their very own drive trains.:S

The new rumor on the street is Marchionne courting Lego in a possible merger. He feels it will create good economies of scale and are the perfect suitor to piece together their truck line.:B

Now that's funny!!:B

[mich800]

Bird Freak wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
The 17 Fords should be perfect since they have had 18 years to get it all right with the complete new design.

I bet your right! And they can even build their very own drive trains.:S

The new rumor on the street is Marchionne courting Lego in a possible merger. He feels it will create good economies of scale and are the perfect suitor to piece together their truck line.:B

[Bird_Freak]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
The 17 Fords should be perfect since they have had 18 years to get it all right with the complete new design.

I bet your right! And they can even build their very own drive trains.:S

[Bird_Freak]

Me Again wrote:
CP4-2???? As in two cylinder? VW CP4-1? As in one cylinder? Chris

So when was the last pump issue you PERSONALLY know of? just curious.

[Me_Again]

CP4-2???? As in two cylinder? VW CP4-1? As in one cylinder? Chris