PUTC 3/4-Ton Premium Truck for 2017 Challenge

[ShinerBock]

Really not a shocker that the engine with the most power, the Duramax, did the best in the acceleration tests or that the Cummins did the best in the fuel mileage tests over the Duramax and Powerstroke. If being the fastest or the quickest is your main concern then the Duramax may be the way to go. If you don't care about getting up the hill a few seconds later and would rather have better fuel economy then the Cummins may be the way to go. The Ford is kind of in the middle with a trade off between the two, but with a nicer interior according to the judges.


PUTC 3/4-Ton Premium Truck for 2017 Challenge

GM - 3.73 rear end
Ford - 3.55 rear end
Ram - 3.42 rear end

[demiles]

MB, I'm not brand loyal and don't feel the same about Ford as you do about Nissan but the arrogance of some of they're owners is enough for me not to be associated with the name.

[ShinerBock]

transamz9 wrote:

The bad experiences can go either way. I had a Ford that I bought new and had 1 year. Six months of that year it was in the shop for major engine rebuild. Waited 3 months for one piston. Ford would not give me anything to drive while they had it because I didn't buy an extended warranty (so they told me). I'll buy a Nissan before I'll buy another Ford. Chrysler has always done me well but I have yet to have to deal with FCA. I get the run around from them I will change me thinking.

Yeah, I know many people that have those kind of stories with at least one manufacturer.

[transamz9]

Mortimer Brewster wrote:

demiles wrote:

Mortimer Brewster wrote:
Any of the big three would be a solid choice for a truck. The Nissan would be a good choice for someone wanting to start an artificial reef.

Nice display of ignorance MB. As noted in the article it sits as a very capable heavy half ton truck despite being at the bottom 2b class.

My experience with Nissan is that they DO NOT stand behind their product. I had a problem with an Altima involving motor mounts going bad. I had 2 dealers tell me that it was covered by warranty. Corporate Nissan said it wasn't covered. They then spent 3 months dodging my phone calls. I would leave them numbers and times at which to reach me. Typically they would leave a message at home during even though I had given them a number and time period to reach me at work. This happened multiple times.
Contrast this with my experience with Ford. My Explorer has unfortunately had more problems than I would ideally expect. Ford has been fantastic about standing behind their product! Kudos to Tom Peck Ford in Huntley, IL. So on one hand you have a company who works hard to satisfy their customers. On the other you have you have Nissan, who worked hard at not standing behind their warranty.
I will admit to ignorance in that I bought a Nissan. I guarantee that I will never repeat that mistake. I'll also retract the comment about using a Nissan to create an artificial reef. That's a crappy thing to do to a fish.

The bad experiences can go either way. I had a Ford that I bought new and had 1 year. Six months of that year it was in the shop for major engine rebuild. Waited 3 months for one piston. Ford would not give me anything to drive while they had it because I didn't buy an extended warranty (so they told me). I'll buy a Nissan before I'll buy another Ford. Chrysler has always done me well but I have yet to have to deal with FCA. I get the run around from them I will change me thinking.

[Mortimer_Brewst]

demiles wrote:

Mortimer Brewster wrote:
Any of the big three would be a solid choice for a truck. The Nissan would be a good choice for someone wanting to start an artificial reef.

Nice display of ignorance MB. As noted in the article it sits as a very capable heavy half ton truck despite being at the bottom 2b class.

My experience with Nissan is that they DO NOT stand behind their product. I had a problem with an Altima involving motor mounts going bad. I had 2 dealers tell me that it was covered by warranty. Corporate Nissan said it wasn't covered. They then spent 3 months dodging my phone calls. I would leave them numbers and times at which to reach me. Typically they would leave a message at home during even though I had given them a number and time period to reach me at work. This happened multiple times.
Contrast this with my experience with Ford. My Explorer has unfortunately had more problems than I would ideally expect. Ford has been fantastic about standing behind their product! Kudos to Tom Peck Ford in Huntley, IL. So on one hand you have a company who works hard to satisfy their customers. On the other you have you have Nissan, who worked hard at not standing behind their warranty.
I will admit to ignorance in that I bought a Nissan. I guarantee that I will never repeat that mistake. I'll also retract the comment about using a Nissan to create an artificial reef. That's a crappy thing to do to a fish.

[boshog]

Bionic Man wrote:
We have come a long ways when you look at the specs and see 800 lb/ft of torque, and it is a 100 lb/ft deficit to its main competitors.

These are the good ole days.

But you have to wonder how much of this power is getting to the ground, and for how long, and when. Look at the recent dyno pulls TFL did and the delta between the GM and the other two. With torque management it is difficult to tell unless someone did an actual study. There is a test result I'd like to read, hear that TFL?

[Bionic_Man]

We have come a long ways when you look at the specs and see 800 lb/ft of torque, and it is a 100 lb/ft deficit to its main competitors.

These are the good ole days.

[ksss]

Mortimer Brewster wrote:
Any of the big three would be a solid choice for a truck. The Nissan would be a good choice for someone wanting to start an artificial reef.

OK, that is pretty funny!

[larry_barnhart]

ShinerBock wrote:

larry barnhart wrote:
Never tells what truck drives the best. I always feel this is important to me and the reason for driving GM products. I will say our 98 2500 dodge drove good for the 14K miles we owned it.

chevman

I think that is because each is best in their own way and what may be important to one may not be important to another. Some may like to have the quickest truck and not mind sacrificing fuel economy for it. there are those that may feel that fuel mileage is more important over performance just as long as the truck can tow what they need it to at the rated speed limit. Others may want dependability above all else.

Each of these truck are close yet very unique in small ways. The GM is the sportiest of the trucks, the Ram is the truckiest of the trucks while the Ford is somewhere in between with a smooth ride. Then there are those that just buy based on brand and it doesn't matter what the other truck have because their brand is always the best. I try not to talk with these kind of people because logic and rational thought usually go out the window in those conversations.

. I feel the same. Chevman

[FishOnOne]

Good stuff....

[demiles]

Mortimer Brewster wrote:
Any of the big three would be a solid choice for a truck. The Nissan would be a good choice for someone wanting to start an artificial reef.

Nice display of ignorance MB. As noted in the article it sits as a very capable heavy half ton truck despite being at the bottom 2b class.

[ShinerBock]

larry barnhart wrote:
Never tells what truck drives the best. I always feel this is important to me and the reason for driving GM products. I will say our 98 2500 dodge drove good for the 14K miles we owned it.

chevman

I think that is because each is best in their own way and what may be important to one may not be important to another. Some may like to have the quickest truck and not mind sacrificing fuel economy for it. there are those that may feel that fuel mileage is more important over performance just as long as the truck can tow what they need it to at the rated speed limit. Others may want dependability above all else.

Each of these truck are close yet very unique in small ways. The GM is the sportiest of the trucks, the Ram is the truckiest of the trucks while the Ford is somewhere in between with a smooth ride. Then there are those that just buy based on brand and it doesn't matter what the other truck have because their brand is always the best. I try not to talk with these kind of people because logic and rational thought usually go out the window in those conversations.

[larry_barnhart]

Never tells what truck drives the best. I always feel this is important to me and the reason for driving GM products. I will say our 98 2500 dodge drove good for the 14K miles we owned it.

chevman

[Mortimer_Brewst]

thomasmnile wrote:

Mortimer Brewster wrote:
The Nissan would be a good choice for someone wanting to start an artificial reef.

Don't hold back, tell us what you really think........:B

That actually was holding back.

[thomasmnile]

Mortimer Brewster wrote:
The Nissan would be a good choice for someone wanting to start an artificial reef.

Don't hold back, tell us what you really think........:B