Jun-22-2017 05:41 AM
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Jun-22-2017 10:51 PM
Cummins12V98 wrote:FishOnOne wrote:
The problem with the 05 Ram we recently purchased is the entire top of the dashboard from the middle to the passenger side is entirely gone due to the dash cracking and falling apart. The 07 Ram is ok but has a carpet liner on the dash it's entire life.
I would have to say that CR reports appear more accurate to me than JD Powers per our experience.
WHAT?????? You own a RAM??????
Jun-22-2017 10:09 PM
Jun-22-2017 09:41 PM
FishOnOne wrote:
The problem with the 05 Ram we recently purchased is the entire top of the dashboard from the middle to the passenger side is entirely gone due to the dash cracking and falling apart. The 07 Ram is ok but has a carpet liner on the dash it's entire life.
I would have to say that CR reports appear more accurate to me than JD Powers per our experience.
Jun-22-2017 09:40 PM
FishOnOne wrote:
The problem with the 05 Ram we recently purchased is the entire top of the dashboard from the middle to the passenger side is entirely gone due to the dash cracking and falling apart. The 07 Ram is ok but has a carpet liner on the dash it's entire life.
I would have to say that CR reports appear more accurate to me than JD Powers per our experience.
Jun-22-2017 08:44 PM
Jun-22-2017 03:25 PM
Jun-22-2017 03:07 PM
BenK wrote:
Too many have become part of the "Throw Away Society...TAS" and not many keep their vehicles over a decade...IMHO pickups has a larger percentage, but they too now have way more TAS folks these days
IMHO...leasing a big part of this.
Plus it is very subjective and largely based on brand loyalty...blind loyalty IMHO...along with OEMs products come and go. Both to be killed off for some reason, or get better or worse over time and that cycle repeats often...
Nothing is perfect, as it also applies to me and everyone else out there...
I don't give a hoot about WiFi/Bluetooth....nor much of the highly integrated computerized systems in my vehicles. Okay, maybe a new sedan noodling (divorce had her get all 3 sedans...I took the trucks and my 2 seater had before the marriage)
Jun-22-2017 03:04 PM
IdaD wrote:travelnutz wrote:
The junkyards are filled with rusted out etc Dodge/Ram pickups, more than there's GM or Ford pickup trucks in them according the salvage reports of types of vehicles that are in their yards. Add in that Dodge/Ram is one of the 3 BIG 3 yet only has sold 1 out of 7 of the new pickups average for over 3 decade or more. the big 3 have sold.
This was in an written about in Automotive News and the Detroit Free Press less than a year ago now. Common knowledge here in the Midwest and most of the east coast as seeing is what's there. Very poor resale values. In the Midwest, it's almost strange to see a Dodge or Ram pickup that is 5 years old or more without rust already showing on the bottom of the doors and/or the bed area by the rear wheel wells or on the outside fender joints/ around wheel openings. So unlike either GM or Ford pickup trucks which seldom have any rust at all showing before they are 10+ years old.
What good is a rusted out truck body sheet metal, usually cracked/crumbled I/P, and shredded passenger seats etc even if the engine or transmission still will run with needed repairs? It's the wrapper the entire driveline is included in that makes it a usable vehicle on the roads!
That's a big part of what "Reliability" means and only is revealed after miles are on the odometer and/or time has passed. BTW, a lot more by far people and trucks are owned and driven in the eastern half of the USA than west of the Rockies and it's the same for Canada too.
I agree that the western US is far nicer than anything in the midwest or east coast. Better scenery and outdoor access, nicer weather, fewer people...it isn't even a contest. That was your point, right?
Jun-22-2017 02:59 PM
Jun-22-2017 01:27 PM
Jun-22-2017 01:25 PM
Jun-22-2017 01:16 PM
TurnThePage wrote:travelnutz wrote:
The junkyards are filled with rusted out etc Dodge/Ram pickups, more than there's GM or Ford pickup trucks in them according the salvage reports of types of vehicles that are in their yards. Add in that Dodge/Ram is one of the 3 BIG 3 yet only has sold 1 out of 7 of the new pickups average for over 3 decade or more. the big 3 have sold.
This was in an written about in Automotive News and the Detroit Free Press less than a year ago now. Common knowledge here in the Midwest and most of the east coast as seeing is what's there. Very poor resale values. In the Midwest, it's almost strange to see a Dodge or Ram pickup that is 5 years old or more without rust already showing on the bottom of the doors and/or the bed area by the rear wheel wells or on the outside fender joints/ around wheel openings. So unlike either GM or Ford pickup trucks which seldom have any rust at all showing before they are 10+ years old.
What good is a rusted out truck body sheet metal, usually cracked/crumbled I/P, and shredded passenger seats etc even if the engine or transmission still will run with needed repairs? It's the wrapper the entire driveline is included in that makes it a usable vehicle on the roads!
That's a big part of what "Reliability" means and only is revealed after miles are on the odometer and/or time has passed. BTW, a lot more by far people and trucks are owned and driven in the eastern half of the USA than west of the Rockies and it's the same for Canada too.
Speaking of rust...
Jun-22-2017 01:06 PM
travelnutz wrote:
The junkyards are filled with rusted out etc Dodge/Ram pickups, more than there's GM or Ford pickup trucks in them according the salvage reports of types of vehicles that are in their yards. Add in that Dodge/Ram is one of the 3 BIG 3 yet only has sold 1 out of 7 of the new pickups average for over 3 decade or more. the big 3 have sold.
This was in an written about in Automotive News and the Detroit Free Press less than a year ago now. Common knowledge here in the Midwest and most of the east coast as seeing is what's there. Very poor resale values. In the Midwest, it's almost strange to see a Dodge or Ram pickup that is 5 years old or more without rust already showing on the bottom of the doors and/or the bed area by the rear wheel wells or on the outside fender joints/ around wheel openings. So unlike either GM or Ford pickup trucks which seldom have any rust at all showing before they are 10+ years old.
What good is a rusted out truck body sheet metal, usually cracked/crumbled I/P, and shredded passenger seats etc even if the engine or transmission still will run with needed repairs? It's the wrapper the entire driveline is included in that makes it a usable vehicle on the roads!
That's a big part of what "Reliability" means and only is revealed after miles are on the odometer and/or time has passed. BTW, a lot more by far people and trucks are owned and driven in the eastern half of the USA than west of the Rockies and it's the same for Canada too.
Jun-22-2017 12:13 PM