Quality

[donn0128]

HereRam is in the top 5 for 2017 quality I see.

[BenK]

Too many have become part of the "Throw Away Society...TAS" and not many keep their vehicles over a decade...IMHO pickups has a larger percentage, but they too now have way more TAS folks these days

IMHO...leasing a big part of this.

Plus it is very subjective and largely based on brand loyalty...blind loyalty IMHO...along with OEMs products come and go. Both to be killed off for some reason, or get better or worse over time and that cycle repeats often...

Nothing is perfect, as it also applies to me and everyone else out there...

I don't give a hoot about WiFi/Bluetooth....nor much of the highly integrated computerized systems in my vehicles. Okay, maybe a new sedan noodling (divorce had her get all 3 sedans...I took the trucks and my 2 seater had before the marriage)

[transamz9]

travelnutz wrote:
The junkyards are filled with rusted out etc Dodge/Ram pickups, more than there's GM or Ford pickup trucks in them according the salvage reports of types of vehicles that are in their yards. Add in that Dodge/Ram is one of the 3 BIG 3 yet only has sold 1 out of 7 of the new pickups average for over 3 decade or more. the big 3 have sold.

This was in an written about in Automotive News and the Detroit Free Press less than a year ago now. Common knowledge here in the Midwest and most of the east coast as seeing is what's there. Very poor resale values. In the Midwest, it's almost strange to see a Dodge or Ram pickup that is 5 years old or more without rust already showing on the bottom of the doors and/or the bed area by the rear wheel wells or on the outside fender joints/ around wheel openings. So unlike either GM or Ford pickup trucks which seldom have any rust at all showing before they are 10+ years old.

What good is a rusted out truck body sheet metal, usually cracked/crumbled I/P, and shredded passenger seats etc even if the engine or transmission still will run with needed repairs? It's the wrapper the entire driveline is included in that makes it a usable vehicle on the roads!

That's a big part of what "Reliability" means and only is revealed after miles are on the odometer and/or time has passed. BTW, a lot more by far people and trucks are owned and driven in the eastern half of the USA than west of the Rockies and it's the same for Canada too.

I always laugh when someone says the Rams rust and the other two don't when I have a fleet of trucks that has all big three makes and Toyota and Nissan. We have 2 3rd gen Rams and they don't have a speck of rust on them. My 2006 F350 has the bottom of the doors about gone. I have a 2005 F350 that the rear wheel wells are rusting through. We sold 2 2007 GM's with the rockers gone. Our Tundra's have a recall on the frames rusting.

Makes no sense to me......:h

One thing for sure. Our newest F150's wont rust. LOL

[IdaD]

travelnutz wrote:
The junkyards are filled with rusted out etc Dodge/Ram pickups, more than there's GM or Ford pickup trucks in them according the salvage reports of types of vehicles that are in their yards. Add in that Dodge/Ram is one of the 3 BIG 3 yet only has sold 1 out of 7 of the new pickups average for over 3 decade or more. the big 3 have sold.

This was in an written about in Automotive News and the Detroit Free Press less than a year ago now. Common knowledge here in the Midwest and most of the east coast as seeing is what's there. Very poor resale values. In the Midwest, it's almost strange to see a Dodge or Ram pickup that is 5 years old or more without rust already showing on the bottom of the doors and/or the bed area by the rear wheel wells or on the outside fender joints/ around wheel openings. So unlike either GM or Ford pickup trucks which seldom have any rust at all showing before they are 10+ years old.

What good is a rusted out truck body sheet metal, usually cracked/crumbled I/P, and shredded passenger seats etc even if the engine or transmission still will run with needed repairs? It's the wrapper the entire driveline is included in that makes it a usable vehicle on the roads!

That's a big part of what "Reliability" means and only is revealed after miles are on the odometer and/or time has passed. BTW, a lot more by far people and trucks are owned and driven in the eastern half of the USA than west of the Rockies and it's the same for Canada too.

I agree that the western US is far nicer than anything in the midwest or east coast. Better scenery and outdoor access, nicer weather, fewer people...it isn't even a contest. That was your point, right?

[travelnutz]

The junkyards are filled with rusted out etc Dodge/Ram pickups, more than there's GM or Ford pickup trucks in them according the salvage reports of types of vehicles that are in their yards. Add in that Dodge/Ram is one of the 3 BIG 3 yet only has sold 1 out of 7 of the new pickups average for over 3 decade or more. the big 3 have sold.

This was in an written about in Automotive News and the Detroit Free Press less than a year ago now. Common knowledge here in the Midwest and most of the east coast as seeing is what's there. Very poor resale values. In the Midwest, it's almost strange to see a Dodge or Ram pickup that is 5 years old or more without rust already showing on the bottom of the doors and/or the bed area by the rear wheel wells or on the outside fender joints/ around wheel openings. So unlike either GM or Ford pickup trucks which seldom have any rust at all showing before they are 10+ years old.

What good is a rusted out truck body sheet metal, usually cracked/crumbled I/P, and shredded passenger seats etc even if the engine or transmission still will run with needed repairs? It's the wrapper the entire driveline is included in that makes it a usable vehicle on the roads!

That's a big part of what "Reliability" means and only is revealed after miles are on the odometer and/or time has passed. BTW, a lot more by far people and trucks are owned and driven in the eastern half of the USA than west of the Rockies and it's the same for Canada too.

[Cummins12V98]

All three of my RAM's have been top quality, report does not surprise me.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

ScottG wrote:
Initial quality is prety much useless to me. I want to see how they're holding up with 50K and 100K on them.

Right?
It was always very strange to me these magazines send a pimple face kid out to drive a new car/truck, or whatever and write about it.

What do they think they are going to say about it?

News flash: IT'S NEW!!!! A new truck better run great; it's new!

Like others, I want to know what broke after 250K and how much did those things cost to fix.

[ScottG]

Initial quality is prety much useless to me. I want to see how they're holding up with 50K and 100K on them.

[goducks10]

Too bad there wasn't a report on initial quality in RV's. Oh wait that's an oxymoron. 🙂

[MNGeeks61]

Chris Bryant wrote:
Interesting- Consumer Reports lists the Ram 2500 in the bottom 10 for reliability.

Consumer Reports also lists the Chevy Cruze as reliable at # 3, but that's a 2017. Go look at their reliability in 2011. 2/5?

I figure I wouldn't ask magazine producers or websites on how reliable a vehicle is, perhaps the mechanics who work on them, or the number of recalls and their severity might be a little better indicator. If you take care of a vehicle it'll last.

Also of note, this is "initial" quality and Ford and RAM are tied in that department. I know several people who might disagree on that 😉

[Bumpyroad]

coolmom42 wrote:

I just wish Toyota hadn't buggered up the 4Runner with a horrible 7 pin connector and a hitch that isn't designed for weight distribution.

is that 7 pin connector different from the one on my Tacoma and if so, what is the issue.
bumpy

[coolmom42]

JD Power looks at NEW vehicles. I've never been able to figure out what their criteria are.

Consumer Reports uses surveys of actual owners, over a 10 year period of time. I know, I've participated in 2 of them. So they are looking at real data.

I don't care much about what a vehicle does at zero miles---I want to know what it does at 200K miles.

I just wish Toyota hadn't buggered up the 4Runner with a horrible 7 pin connector and a hitch that isn't designed for weight distribution.

[Chris_Bryant]

Interesting- Consumer Reports lists the Ram 2500 in the bottom 10 for reliability.