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Ram Eco-Diesel vs F150 2.7 TT - Davis Dam

Hybridhunter
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You just know it's not gonna be close!

So which is better? Horsepower or torque lol.
(The answer is both, apparently.)
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boocoodinkydow
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does it come as a sudden revelation to some that a gas engine has better acceleration than a diesel with similar displacement?!?! this spectacular comparison test just to make a point that's been commonly accepted since the inception of the diesel engine. in the world of 3/4 & 1 ton trucks, gas option drivetrains have been faster than the diesels forever. why would you think it should be different in the 150/1500 series??
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Well the cost of a Mopar filter is 28.00 form these guys LINK and they also sell the Bluespark Tuner LINK. I have an appointment at 9:00 8/7/14 to order my 2015 Eco-diesel.

Don


LMAO....That filter looks like a role of chitter paper. :B

JK....:W
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Fordlover
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Bionic Man wrote:
Hybrid, from your past posts, I would be willing to bet good $$ that the likelihood of you buying a RAM is about the same as me buying a Ford. Who are you trying to fool?

From what I've seen, hybrid hunter is far more likely to buy a ram than you are a ford. Really think about it... Your seething hatred towards ford comes across loud and clear. I've not seen the same attitude towards ram from hybrid hunter. He may not be a fan of the ecodiesel, but at least he doesn't unilaterally poopoo an entire brand like others on here.
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Perrysburg_Dodg
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Well the cost of a Mopar filter is 28.00 form these guys LINK and they also sell the Bluespark Tuner LINK. I have an appointment at 9:00 8/7/14 to order my 2015 Eco-diesel.

Don
2015 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab SWB 4X4 Ecodiesel GDE Tune.

Bionic_Man
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Hybridhunter wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
Hybrid, from your past posts, I would be willing to bet good $$ that the likelihood of you buying a RAM is about the same as me buying a Ford. Who are you trying to fool?


.........
Thanks for assuming though..... Clearly you are biased, and assume I am as well?


Yep, I am biased. Admittedly so. And I do not recall a post from you in the Tow Vehicles forum that is anything but venom towards Dodge/RAM. I (and likely many others) would be very surprised to find that you actually would purchase something you regularily bash.
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Hybridhunter
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jerem0621 wrote:
Hybridhunter, I am curious how fast you tow? When I had my Dually I traveled about 60 mph, mostly because that was my personal limit, I had a V10 and could have pulled at 90 mph if I wanted too. When I had my 5.4 F150 I towed at the same speed.

Regardless of the hp I have, 60-65 is my personal max and I am generally in the right lane letting people pass me.

The ED is a Niche motor, I understand that, it just so happens that I fit the niche, but that's why they make different vehicles so people can buy what meets their needs in particular.

Now, I'm not excluding the smaller EcoBoost because it may be a perfect match for us. That's part of the fun of shopping.

Consistent 20 plus MPG in mixed driving plus the ability to haul a 7000 lb TT safely is a tantalizing option.

Thanks!

Jeremiah


I'll bite. I usually head out, with a plan to tow at 62ish. But on the interstate, I get lulled into speeding up, as I don't like the speed differential with other traffic. I also travel 800 miles a day to try to get to faraway places. So I usually travel at 70, when conditions call for it, I go 75 on occasion. It sucks fuel, but sometimes I only have a certain amount of time to get somewhere. Everyone can start the philosophical attacks about safety, but my weights are all in check, and the safety factor of a brand new truck, and all it's safety features makes it safer at 75 than an older truck at 65. 600 000+ miles and no accidents, I'll stick with what I'm doing!

But I do try to keep my speed steady, so 70 uphill, down, into the wind, or whatever. I'm a busy person, I can afford the gas, but I could really care less what is under the hood, and what rpm it is at. If the truck can do it, I'm not paying extra for some nebulous rpm reduction, or some warm fussy feeling brought on by such things.
Is it worth the cash for the ED when it costs $4K? I just don't see it, the pentastar with will do just fine, well, maybe not 7000#, but I wouldn't tow 7K with 240hp, but I have my reasons.

brulaz wrote:


Like others are saying here, those two statements don't go well together. "cheap miles" and high speed towing? Doesn't compute.

For this retired, old fart who drives at 62mph to save $$$, the main problem with the EcoD is the truck's low payload, not the low HP. Although I will admit the EcoB's high HP is fun at times, I'd rather have the EcoD's mileage.

So like you, I'm waiting to see what the Nissan will be like. The Cummins 5L will have more than enough low end torque and HP, too much really, but if they don't put it in a heftier tow truck, it will be wasted on me. RAM should have kept it and put it in their 2500.


I agree.
Cheap cost per mile, used as I do. I keep my trucks for a couple years, and the new base engines can do anything the ED can do, for cheaper, so whatever gets me on the road, and does what I need, get's my $$
I wasn't ragging on older retired folks, merely pointing out the difference in expendable time, and the different needs as far with regards to travel times.

Hybridhunter
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Bionic Man wrote:
Hybrid, from your past posts, I would be willing to bet good $$ that the likelihood of you buying a RAM is about the same as me buying a Ford. Who are you trying to fool?


I have owned 2 Dodges. Both were excellent, and durable trucks. During my last bi-annual truck purchase, Ram was the number 2 option.
Thanks for assuming though..... Clearly you are biased, and assume I am as well?

brulaz
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Hybridhunter wrote:

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A truck that let's me go 70 uphill and get around all the 90's diesel trucks (:-)) that go slow
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I'm all about cheap miles...
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Like others are saying here, those two statements don't go well together. "cheap miles" and high speed towing? Doesn't compute.

For this retired, old fart who drives at 62mph to save $$$, the main problem with the EcoD is the truck's low payload, not the low HP. Although I will admit the EcoB's high HP is fun at times, I'd rather have the EcoD's mileage.

So like you, I'm waiting to see what the Nissan will be like. The Cummins 5L will have more than enough low end torque and HP, too much really, but if they don't put it in a heftier tow truck, it will be wasted on me. RAM should have kept it and put it in their 2500.
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goducks10
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If Ram was worried about winning the towing wars with the new ED, surely they would've put a bigger motor in it. But they built it to satisfy the need for their cafรฉ ratings. It's the media that keeps trying to make it something it's not.

wilber1
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This is a 1/2 T after all and HP is just one factor in determining a tow rating. Tuners can turn any engine into a potential grenade but no doubt the ED has more to offer. Audi's 3L diesel is rated at an identical 240 HP in NA but there is a Euro version that cranks out 313 HP.
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Fast_Mopar
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Hybridhunter wrote:

Life is short, and for some of us non old farts, we have 2 weeks to get across the comtinent, settle in relax and get home. A truck that let's me go 70 uphill and get around all the 90's diesel trucks (:-)) that go slow with drivers who have nothing but time to kill.


I'm far from an old fart, but I nearly died 6 months ago due to a sudden medical issue, so I clearly understand how short life is. At the same time, ST tires are rated to 65 mph max.
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Fast_Mopar
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Bionic Man wrote:
Hybrid, from your past posts, I would be willing to bet good $$ that the likelihood of you buying a RAM is about the same as me buying a Ford. Who are you trying to fool?


You beat me to it, Bionic. But, what do I know? I'm just a shill.
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jerem0621
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Hybridhunter, I am curious how fast you tow? When I had my Dually I traveled about 60 mph, mostly because that was my personal limit, I had a V10 and could have pulled at 90 mph if I wanted too. When I had my 5.4 F150 I towed at the same speed.

Regardless of the hp I have, 60-65 is my personal max and I am generally in the right lane letting people pass me.

The ED is a Niche motor, I understand that, it just so happens that I fit the niche, but that's why they make different vehicles so people can buy what meets their needs in particular.

Now, I'm not excluding the smaller EcoBoost because it may be a perfect match for us. That's part of the fun of shopping.

Consistent 20 plus MPG in mixed driving plus the ability to haul a 7000 lb TT safely is a tantalizing option.

Thanks!

Jeremiah
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Bionic_Man
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Hybrid, from your past posts, I would be willing to bet good $$ that the likelihood of you buying a RAM is about the same as me buying a Ford. Who are you trying to fool?
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Hybridhunter
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So we should forsake all the advancements in performance and potential because philosophically some love Diesel engines? That makes a lot of sense.

Life is short, and for some of us non old farts, we have 2 weeks to get across the comtinent, settle in relax and get home. A truck that let's me go 70 uphill and get around all the 90's diesel trucks (:-)) that go slow with drivers who have nothing but time to kill.

^^^a little bit of sarcasm, but you get the point. Any basic truck will do what I ask, the ED won't. I'm all about cheap miles, so my next truck could be anything. Some on this site are delusional about the ED. I am considering the new cummins 5.0, the 2.7TT, even a Ram, but not the ED, the 3.6 is flat out a better deal, and I won't have to explain to my wife why it takes an hour longer to get places, or why I paid an extra $80 a month for the pleasure, and $160 oil changes and so on....