Tell me your horror stories (Diesel)

[ib516]

Ok, so browsing through the thread about the 2011 Ford diesel left me in shock. Seems like there were many issues with the early builds of that engine. I know the Cummins and Duramax of that generation had their own issues (mostly emissions related?).

How are the newest gen Ford 6.7L diesels holding up (2015+)?
Are their similar stories for the Cummins and Duramax in the latest gen (2014+)? I know the Cummins has been 370hp/800tq for a while (in the 2500), have they worked out the kinks in that one? Are failures common? I only know one guy with a 2014 Ram 6.7L Cummins SRW 3500. He has had plenty of recalls and was losing coolant a while back, but I think that was the famous water pump issue. He has had no serious issues. His is a 370hp/800tq version with a 68RFE auto. But that's a sample of 1 which is pretty meaningless.

I went with a 6.4L Hemi last time I was shopping as it suited my needs better and frankly, I was scared away from diesels (all of them). At that time, my research told me they weren't worth the gamble. What I mean by that is their superior towing performance wasn't worth it to me when they could cost me tens of thousands to repair if they failed, and they were all (my opinion) having reliability issues in the 2011 to 2013 time period. I thought they were mostly pesky ones to do with emissions, but I'm just not into check engine lights on new trucks.

Are the diesels getting better? Should I put them back on my shopping list for my next new truck?

I'll likely be towing under 10k GVW, and it'll likely be a TT around 30'. I do want to log some miles though, and that will include some long distance touring (cross Country type).

[ppine]

Lantley wrote:

Groover wrote:

ppine wrote:

Bingo. My 2002 Ford is going up in value.

Lets say that the diesel cost an extra $5k in 2002 and you had invested that money in an S&P 500 index fund. Just on capital appreciation using the highest value of 2002 for the S&P in 2002 that investment would now be worth $11,185. If you allow for 2% dividends over 16 years compounded you would now have $16,178 in your account. I suspect that would have been the better investment from a purely monetary standpoint. I do realize that few trucks are bought as investments though.

That may have been the worst analogy ever!
Big difference between banking the money and buying a truck.
Why not state he should have invested the money in Amazon, Google, Apple or some other high flyer. That way he'd been even farther ahead.
Unfortunately cash won't tow a trailer until you use it to barter for a truck

No one buys a new truck as an investment. Owning one is clearly an expense. It is consumptive spending, not investment spending. Duh.

I get tired of hearing people talk about the high cost of diesel purchase, repairs and fuel costs. It is a load of ****. It cost me $5k extra to buy a diesel. Now my truck has 170k miles on it. It is going up in value because mechanics think it is "still fresh." The same gas truck would be worth very little. It has saved me lots of fuel costs over the years. It has cost very little except maintenance. The first brake job was at 125 k miles. I rebuilt the front end. That is remarkable. The trans is still fine.

My truck cost $35k and it is worth about $17k in this market after 16 years and 170 k miles. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned.
I was talking with my mechanic the other day. His advice was "don't ever sell it."

[Cummins12V98]

"I think the Cummins would be easier to work on, but I could be wrong."

Simply pop the hoods!

[sgfrye]

kw/00 wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Mainly looking for info for the 2015 and newer versions of the diesels.

Oops here I was posting about some of the old news diesels, my bad. Anyway not much negative that I have heard about the 15 and up models. We still run the 6.7 Fords here at work and they seem to be holding up. I really don’t have a preference about brand between the 3. But partial to the Dmax or Cummins. I think the Cummins would be easier to work on, but I could be wrong.

x2 on all 3 newer diesels.

one advantage of any diesel is the addition of adding an auxiliary gravity fed fuel transfer tank in the bed.

[troubledwaters]

ppine wrote:
Bingo. My 2002 Ford is going up in value.

Everything I own goes up in value too; Until I try to sell it.

[BigCL]

Zero issues with my 2016 6.7l.

[kw_00]

ib516 wrote:
Mainly looking for info for the 2015 and newer versions of the diesels.

Oops here I was posting about some of the old news diesels, my bad. Anyway not much negative that I have heard about the 15 and up models. We still run the 6.7 Fords here at work and they seem to be holding up. I really don’t have a preference about brand between the 3. But partial to the Dmax or Cummins. I think the Cummins would be easier to work on, but I could be wrong.

[jmtandem]

Lets say that the diesel cost an extra $5k in 2002 and you had invested that money in an S&P 500 index fund. Just on capital appreciation using the highest value of 2002 for the S&P in 2002 that investment would now be worth $11,185. If you allow for 2% dividends over 16 years compounded you would now have $16,178 in your account. I suspect that would have been the better investment from a purely monetary standpoint. I do realize that few trucks are bought as investments though.

It is difficult to see any connection between diesel horror stories and your rhetorical verbosity about investments. Where is the horror story in your comments? And, you forgot the resale up value when trading in or selling the diesel, and the cost of living increases that would have occurred over time; both would have an impact on your valuation. Any time somebody thinks about doing something else with their money, then the item they are looking at purchasing is not that important to them.

[BenK]

IdaD wrote:
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So an expense is a lousy investment, huh?

Brilliant insight.

IdaD....Thanks...now understand

[IdaD]

Groover wrote:

ppine wrote:

Bingo. My 2002 Ford is going up in value.

Lets say that the diesel cost an extra $5k in 2002 and you had invested that money in an S&P 500 index fund. Just on capital appreciation using the highest value of 2002 for the S&P in 2002 that investment would now be worth $11,185. If you allow for 2% dividends over 16 years compounded you would now have $16,178 in your account. I suspect that would have been the better investment from a purely monetary standpoint. I do realize that few trucks are bought as investments though.

So an expense is a lousy investment, huh?

Brilliant insight.

[Lantley]

Groover wrote:

ppine wrote:

Bingo. My 2002 Ford is going up in value.

Lets say that the diesel cost an extra $5k in 2002 and you had invested that money in an S&P 500 index fund. Just on capital appreciation using the highest value of 2002 for the S&P in 2002 that investment would now be worth $11,185. If you allow for 2% dividends over 16 years compounded you would now have $16,178 in your account. I suspect that would have been the better investment from a purely monetary standpoint. I do realize that few trucks are bought as investments though.

That may have been the worst analogy ever!
Big difference between banking the money and buying a truck.
Why not state he should have invested the money in Amazon, Google, Apple or some other high flyer. That way he'd been even farther ahead.
Unfortunately cash won't tow a trailer until you use it to barter for a truck

[blofgren]

ib516 wrote:
Mainly looking for info for the 2015 and newer versions of the diesels.

With respect to the Ram Cummins combo, there have been very few powertrain changes from 2013 to present.

[Bigfoot_affair]

2018 GMC Denali 3500, oh so good! Love this new L5P!

2015 GMC Denali 3500 traded at 98k, zero issues

2012 Silverado 3500 traded at 110k, zero problems. Only telling you about my 2012 Silverado 3500 because it had the same powertrain as the 2015.

[seminole39]

I bought a 6.4 Powerstroke... end of horror story

[Groover]

ppine wrote:

Bingo. My 2002 Ford is going up in value.

Lets say that the diesel cost an extra $5k in 2002 and you had invested that money in an S&P 500 index fund. Just on capital appreciation using the highest value of 2002 for the S&P in 2002 that investment would now be worth $11,185. If you allow for 2% dividends over 16 years compounded you would now have $16,178 in your account. I suspect that would have been the better investment from a purely monetary standpoint. I do realize that few trucks are bought as investments though.

[shum02]

ford truck guy wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Mainly looking for info for the 2015 and newer versions of the diesels.

It's funny that you have to state that AGIAN... Some want to hang onto the past...

From what I have heard, and owners I spoke to, ANY of the big 3 2015 and up trucks are awesome towing machines... The rest is personal preference .

If I where looking for a newer Powerstroke it would be 2015 and forward. Like the single big turbo over the twin system. Have a few friends with them and they love the trucks - power and fuel economy, hard to beat that combo.

Re the 6.0L I have with over 250k miles I did the EGR and Oil cooler in my driveway myself along with a new rad and overflow bottle and it cost me a weekend worth of my time and about $1k Cdn. Truck still runs awesome. Good power and decent fuel economy for an 8k pound beast.