Uber expensive pickups...how much of a trend ?

[Lessmore]

Very expensive pickups...loaded, beautiful interiors, etc. Is this a harbinger of the future...or just a temporary trend ?

How much luxury do people want and perhaps more to the point can they afford ?

Deluxe, albeit it pricey Ford pickups introduced.

[fj12ryder]

transamz9 wrote:
Why would anyone have to feel obligated to give their money to charities that they themselves worked for? I give when I can but don't like when people think that someone should be obligated just because they have money.

Probably people think that people with money should donate, because people without, can't.

Kind of a noblesse oblige kind of thing.

[transamz9]

qtla9111 wrote:

JAC1982 wrote:
My husband and I are those people that buy expensiveish vehicles. The truck we have (in signature, Platinum model) sits in the garage most of the time. When we bought it, the husband traveled for work all the time so it was just used when he was in town to run errands locally, or for towing. It has something like 12,000 miles on it. My 2016 Explorer Sport, which was northward of $40k, just hit 20,000 miles. Now that he's not traveling, we bought a used 2016 Fusion Titanium EcoBoost this year to use as a "commuter" car.... basically to reduce the amount of miles on my Explorer for road trips where we don't bring our dogs or to go downtown.

But you know what? Who cares what we buy. We are DINKs with a very good income in our mid 30s. We own a modest 3 bed/2 bath house with a decent amount of equity, we save for retirement. What else should we be spending our money on? We don't eat out a lot, I bring my lunch to work, we don't hit up Starbucks 3 times a day, and we don't take expensive vacations (unless you count the toyhauler as an expensive vacation haha). WE like nice vehicles. Even before we were married we both had nice vehicles with all the bells and whistles.

I say if people can afford it, who cares.

Oh and for the record, the truck prior to this one was a 2014 F250 Platinum. We traded that in for the dually when we decided to upgrade the trailer and they gave us more than what we owed on it even though we only had it a year. In our area at least, trucks hold their value relatively well. The dealerships keep more trucks on the lots than cars.

Wow, you live the life of luxury and that's good. I'm sure you forgot, in your description, the amount of money or time you donate to charity. I know you do so that is important to share as well. Otherwise, people would think you're selfish millennials.

Why would anyone have to feel obligated to give their money to charities that they themselves worked for? I give when I can but don't like when people think that someone should be obligated just because they have money.

[JAC1982]

qtla9111 wrote:

JAC1982 wrote:
My husband and I are those people that buy expensiveish vehicles. The truck we have (in signature, Platinum model) sits in the garage most of the time. When we bought it, the husband traveled for work all the time so it was just used when he was in town to run errands locally, or for towing. It has something like 12,000 miles on it. My 2016 Explorer Sport, which was northward of $40k, just hit 20,000 miles. Now that he's not traveling, we bought a used 2016 Fusion Titanium EcoBoost this year to use as a "commuter" car.... basically to reduce the amount of miles on my Explorer for road trips where we don't bring our dogs or to go downtown.

But you know what? Who cares what we buy. We are DINKs with a very good income in our mid 30s. We own a modest 3 bed/2 bath house with a decent amount of equity, we save for retirement. What else should we be spending our money on? We don't eat out a lot, I bring my lunch to work, we don't hit up Starbucks 3 times a day, and we don't take expensive vacations (unless you count the toyhauler as an expensive vacation haha). WE like nice vehicles. Even before we were married we both had nice vehicles with all the bells and whistles.

I say if people can afford it, who cares.

Oh and for the record, the truck prior to this one was a 2014 F250 Platinum. We traded that in for the dually when we decided to upgrade the trailer and they gave us more than what we owed on it even though we only had it a year. In our area at least, trucks hold their value relatively well. The dealerships keep more trucks on the lots than cars.

Wow, you live the life of luxury and that's good. I'm sure you forgot, in your description, the amount of money or time you donate to charity. I know you do so that is important to share as well. Otherwise, people would think you're selfish millennials.

We're a little too old to be millennials. We do donate to charity. But not a lot and yes, we're a little selfish. That's why we don't have kids 🙂

[steveksfc]

That is why I am still driving a '88 Chevrolet C30 crew cab. May be old but hasn't even started to even rust out yet. I'm seeing so many asking high dollar for rust buckets. Makes me wonder just how long before the new ones start rusting out.

[4x4ord]

burningman wrote:
What’s this nonsense about old trucks not lasting as long as new ones?
I kept my ‘86 GMC 4x4 crewcab dually because I know it will outlast anything built since.
Zero electronics. Simple as a brick. It’s over 30 years old and it ALWAYS starts and runs.

Wanna bet how many of these overcomplicated new trucks will be still working in 30 or 40 years?
I dare say almost NONE of them.

I have a ‘55 Chevy that will run as long as gasoline is available.
Heck it’d be pretty easy to convert it to electric if I had to.

The new stuff is really, really nice. Ultra capable. But longer lasting? No way.

Nothing lasts very long. Even if you can keep it running it gets so out dated that nobody wants it.

[burningman]

What’s this nonsense about old trucks not lasting as long as new ones?
I kept my ‘86 GMC 4x4 crewcab dually because I know it will outlast anything built since.
Zero electronics. Simple as a brick. It’s over 30 years old and it ALWAYS starts and runs.

Wanna bet how many of these overcomplicated new trucks will be still working in 30 or 40 years?
I dare say almost NONE of them.

I have a ‘55 Chevy that will run as long as gasoline is available.
Heck it’d be pretty easy to convert it to electric if I had to.

The new stuff is really, really nice. Ultra capable. But longer lasting? No way.

[Jarlaxle]

Fordlover wrote:

the bear II wrote:
Pickups are getting scary expensive...

In 1973 I ordered a 1974 model Dodge 1500 4X4 from the factory. I ordered the base model no radio, rubber floor mats, no A/C it was as stripped as possible. The cost out the door was $3800. It wouldn't surprise me if a 2018 equivalent would be over $25,000.

Using an online inflation calculator and inputting your info:

$3,800 in 1973 equals $21,586.86 in 2017.

Considering the advancement of modern vehicles over that 1973 truck, I think 25000 for a new work truck isn't too bad. Of course that new work truck might be closer to 30,000.

Absolute cheapest 4x4 fullsize truck (Ram 1500 regular cab with no options) is over $31,000. (Ford is $32,000, GM a bit more.)

[qtla9111]

JAC1982 wrote:
My husband and I are those people that buy expensiveish vehicles. The truck we have (in signature, Platinum model) sits in the garage most of the time. When we bought it, the husband traveled for work all the time so it was just used when he was in town to run errands locally, or for towing. It has something like 12,000 miles on it. My 2016 Explorer Sport, which was northward of $40k, just hit 20,000 miles. Now that he's not traveling, we bought a used 2016 Fusion Titanium EcoBoost this year to use as a "commuter" car.... basically to reduce the amount of miles on my Explorer for road trips where we don't bring our dogs or to go downtown.

But you know what? Who cares what we buy. We are DINKs with a very good income in our mid 30s. We own a modest 3 bed/2 bath house with a decent amount of equity, we save for retirement. What else should we be spending our money on? We don't eat out a lot, I bring my lunch to work, we don't hit up Starbucks 3 times a day, and we don't take expensive vacations (unless you count the toyhauler as an expensive vacation haha). WE like nice vehicles. Even before we were married we both had nice vehicles with all the bells and whistles.

I say if people can afford it, who cares.

Oh and for the record, the truck prior to this one was a 2014 F250 Platinum. We traded that in for the dually when we decided to upgrade the trailer and they gave us more than what we owed on it even though we only had it a year. In our area at least, trucks hold their value relatively well. The dealerships keep more trucks on the lots than cars.

Wow, you live the life of luxury and that's good. I'm sure you forgot, in your description, the amount of money or time you donate to charity. I know you do so that is important to share as well. Otherwise, people would think you're selfish millennials.

[Lessmore]

Me Again wrote:

Lessmore wrote:
It used to be, back in the old days that a customer could factory order a vehicle with individual options, rather than always having to select a 'package' . You want the 325 hp/396 ? It comes with the 3 on the tree manual transmission...or order either the THM 400 transmission or 4 speed Muncie manual trans...the last two, optional at extra cost.

You could keep the cost down...then... and not have to take (at extra cost) automatic exhaust valve rotaters which...nowadays... would be a mandatory option with the 396 engine package. 🙂

Now, oft times a package has a number of options bundled together and within the bundle of the package are often items that the purchaser doesn't want and doesn't want to pay for.

I understand that packaging bundles are easier for the manufacturers' assembly lines and also need I add...more profitable.

Nowadays...if you want cruise control, than sir you'll need to select our super deluxe # 2 package...which includes arctic floor mats, twin am/fm radio antennas that have a particular flair and reverse slant that many of our customers wish, embossed first owner's initials on the dash (dealer installed) and brushed titanium curb feelers/ automatic curb side, parking mirrors. Cruise control is only available in the Super Deluxe # 2 package and can't be ordered separately.

So we end up with % 90,000 pickups. Yeah...yeah...I understand that some want 90 grand pickup trucks...and that's fine. But wouldn't you rather have the choice about what options you can choose separately rather than having to take a bunch of 'packages' that have options you both want and some you don't want ?

I do understand that in... some... cases packages are ok...ie; towing package comes with a receiver/hitch ball...but also mandatory bigger cooling system, heavy duty suspension, electrical pre wired for towing, etc...which makes sense when towing.

My debadged 1967 SS350 with Muncie 4 speed had 3:31 gears out back. It got pretty good mileage out on the road.



Wish I still had it. Chris

In '69 I had almost exactly that car. Mine was a '67 Camaro RS coupe, with a 327, 4 speed Muncie, red line tires (remember them). The colour was Marina Blue (I think it was called)...and I also still wish I had it. If I did, first thing I'd get installed would be a Hurst Shift linkage, add more leaf springs to the rear axle, Ziebart it and do a disc brake conversion.

Other than that it would be good to go. I wonder if my old '67 if it's still around still has my Smiths tachometer mounted on the steering wheel.

Thanks for posting the pic, triggered some great memories.

[Me_Again]

Lessmore wrote:
It used to be, back in the old days that a customer could factory order a vehicle with individual options, rather than always having to select a 'package' . You want the 325 hp/396 ? It comes with the 3 on the tree manual transmission...or order either the THM 400 transmission or 4 speed Muncie manual trans...the last two, optional at extra cost.

You could keep the cost down...then... and not have to take (at extra cost) automatic exhaust valve rotaters which...nowadays... would be a mandatory option with the 396 engine package. 🙂

Now, oft times a package has a number of options bundled together and within the bundle of the package are often items that the purchaser doesn't want and doesn't want to pay for.

I understand that packaging bundles are easier for the manufacturers' assembly lines and also need I add...more profitable.

Nowadays...if you want cruise control, than sir you'll need to select our super deluxe # 2 package...which includes arctic floor mats, twin am/fm radio antennas that have a particular flair and reverse slant that many of our customers wish, embossed first owner's initials on the dash (dealer installed) and brushed titanium curb feelers/ automatic curb side, parking mirrors. Cruise control is only available in the Super Deluxe # 2 package and can't be ordered separately.

So we end up with % 90,000 pickups. Yeah...yeah...I understand that some want 90 grand pickup trucks...and that's fine. But wouldn't you rather have the choice about what options you can choose separately rather than having to take a bunch of 'packages' that have options you both want and some you don't want ?

I do understand that in... some... cases packages are ok...ie; towing package comes with a receiver/hitch ball...but also mandatory bigger cooling system, heavy duty suspension, electrical pre wired for towing, etc...which makes sense when towing.

My debadged 1967 SS350 with Muncie 4 speed had 3:31 gears out back. It got pretty good mileage out on the road.



Wish I still had it. Chris

[ksss]

JAC1982 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

JAC1982 wrote:


We traded that in for the dually when we decided to upgrade the trailer and they gave us more than what we owed on it even though we only had it a year. In our area at least, trucks hold their value relatively well.

By the sounds of where you're at in life I fully believe that you can afford to drive nice vehicles. However, I remember years ago my BIL telling me what his 2 year old truck was worth...then with a hint of pride he told me that was a little more than what he owed on it. I remember thinking "so you're telling me you have nothing. What's the big deal?" At that time I couldn't believe that someone would borrow money to buy a vehicle. These days it seems many people are borrowing money to buy cars, trucks, RV's, motorcycles....boats, TVs, furniture, appliances...

With interest rates at practically zero, why wouldn't you finance them and then invest your cash in something that will give an actual return?

My thoughts as well. When you can borrow money at sub 3% why tie up your own cash.

[Groover]

4x4ord wrote:

Fordlover wrote:

the bear II wrote:
Pickups are getting scary expensive...

In 1973 I ordered a 1974 model Dodge 1500 4X4 from the factory. I ordered the base model no radio, rubber floor mats, no A/C it was as stripped as possible. The cost out the door was $3800. It wouldn't surprise me if a 2018 equivalent would be over $25,000.

Using an online inflation calculator and inputting your info:

$3,800 in 1973 equals $21,586.86 in 2017.

Considering the advancement of modern vehicles over that 1973 truck, I think 25000 for a new work truck isn't too bad. Of course that new work truck might be closer to 30,000.

Probably a fully loaded 1 ton dually from 1973 wouldn't be as capable or anywhere near as nice to drive as a base model present day 1/2 ton.

I second that. We know that it did not have antilock brakes, airbags, was noisy and rough riding, pretty much a farm truck that gave horrible fuel economy while not producing much power. While there are still some old ones around in general they didn't go much further than 100,000 miles before rusting out and generally falling apart. The new trucks are a much better value. Competition is great for consumers.

[4x4ord]

Fordlover wrote:

the bear II wrote:
Pickups are getting scary expensive...

In 1973 I ordered a 1974 model Dodge 1500 4X4 from the factory. I ordered the base model no radio, rubber floor mats, no A/C it was as stripped as possible. The cost out the door was $3800. It wouldn't surprise me if a 2018 equivalent would be over $25,000.

Using an online inflation calculator and inputting your info:

$3,800 in 1973 equals $21,586.86 in 2017.

Considering the advancement of modern vehicles over that 1973 truck, I think 25000 for a new work truck isn't too bad. Of course that new work truck might be closer to 30,000.

Probably a fully loaded 1 ton dually from 1973 wouldn't be as capable or anywhere near as nice to drive as a base model present day 1/2 ton.

[Fordlover]

the bear II wrote:
Pickups are getting scary expensive...

In 1973 I ordered a 1974 model Dodge 1500 4X4 from the factory. I ordered the base model no radio, rubber floor mats, no A/C it was as stripped as possible. The cost out the door was $3800. It wouldn't surprise me if a 2018 equivalent would be over $25,000.

Using an online inflation calculator and inputting your info:

$3,800 in 1973 equals $21,586.86 in 2017.

Considering the advancement of modern vehicles over that 1973 truck, I think 25000 for a new work truck isn't too bad. Of course that new work truck might be closer to 30,000.

[4x4ord]

In my case, I like to pay cash for stuff that turns into junk such as cars, trucks and RVs. I am fortunate enough to be in a position where I can borrow money to buy "stuff" that is more likely to appreciate in value such as land.