Wards does not like the Eco-Boost

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

This is not going to look good for the new F-150.

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[bob_nestor]

We Cant Wait wrote:
We all knew that ALL auto mfrgs. have been padding their MPG figures all along. They get their #'s while running on a Dyno thus no wind resistance, and only 2 tires for rolling resistance. There's no way real world MPG can come close to Dyno MPG.

Curious why this is a manufacturer problem and how they can pad their EPA MPG figures. They do the testing according to EPA requirements and submit the results to the EPA. The EPA checks and approves the results. The EPA also does it's own testing on 10 to 15% of the vehicles. The blame should lie with the EPA for their mandated testing procedures and their approval of the test results, not with the manufacturers.

How vehicles are tested

[MitchF150]

From just a quick tally of those that have responded to this thread only 2 actually OWN an F150 Ecoboost... There were about 8 that according to their signature didn't own one and there were about 4 that didn't have a signature...

I actually OWN one of these things and I do get the advertised mpg figures with it... 🙂

I've gotten 21 mpg on a 100% hwy run of about 160 miles and repeated on about a 200 mile trip.

On my daily commute to work of 18 miles, I'm getting 17 mpg. And that's with a lot of rush hour traffic both ways.

This is hand calculated figures too, but the computer has only been off by -.2 or -.3 on the actual pump gallons used, so the computers mpg figures are pretty close too.. 😉

I like to have fun with it too, so there are many freeway on ramp "boost" 0 to 60+ mph runs with it.. 🙂

All you haters just go on and hate and us folks that actually drive these things and actually have a good rig will just go about our way too... 😉

Sure, there is a lot of talk of those not getting great mpg's.. If I really wanted to, I can make this thing only get 12 mpg too!

Towing, I get 10-11 mpg and that's fine. The power is incredible and I'm saving a ton of $$ in gas compared to driving my old 97 F150 that used to avg 14 mpg on my commute and got a best of 17 mpg on the hwy...

The only thing I have found on the Eco I don't like is the Sync system... My microphone no longer works, but it's a warranty thing and I haven't taken it in yet. When it actually works, it's pretty cool... Mine just don't work too good at the moment.. 😞

Mitch

On edit, I see the article is about the 2.7 Eco... I've got the 3.5 so not the same thing... I would not want a 2.7 Eco... 😉

[Kalabin]

Charlie D. wrote:
Never met anyone who bought an Ecoboost and would admit he was disappointed in fuel mileage. Difficult for most owners who buy for mileage admit that the mileage sucked. They would rather brag about everything else,

Charlie,

I bought an EcoBoost and I will fully admit that I am not happy with the mileage I get. However, it is still better than my older 5.4 I was driving, as well as 6.0 Vortec. Best I have seen was last summer 20.1mpg on the highway, worst is around 13 in the winter. Usually I see around 15 with mixed.

[SkiingSixPack]

dockmasterdave wrote:
I own an ecoboost.
No I don't get the advertised fuel economy, but I like putting my foot in the turbos, and am willing to pay for that fun.
I also tow with it and love it.
Has anyone here, heard any one who owns one saying, they are disappointing with the towing performance?
If you are reading here and looking for fuel economy, you are lost.
It takes horse power to tow a heavy load. "if you want more power, burn more gas" pretty simple.
I have owned several 5.0's and Chevy small blocks. No comparison in my opinion.
I was out last weekend towing a 5000 lb TT into a 20 MPH headwind at 65 mph. It wanted to stay in 5th gear at 2000 rpm. Fine with me.
Without the headwind, I can tow with cruise on, in 6th at 1300 rpm.
Try that with a normally aspirated V8.
Instead of listening to the complaints from people who have never even driven one, why not ask the owner of one, if they would buy it again? I would and will.
I have also towed the same trailer with a Ford V8 2010 and the base V6 2006. They all got about the same gas mileage to produce the same result, towing or not.
Horse power = burning gas.

Winner ^^^^^^^

[Charlie_D_]

Never met anyone who bought an Ecoboost and would admit he was disappointed in fuel mileage. Difficult for most owners who buy for mileage admit that the mileage sucked. They would rather brag about everything else,

[Lessmore]

ScottG wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

wwest wrote:
The EcoBUST engine MUST run in derated mode when not using BOOST.

An N/A DFI engine can have a compression above 12:1 even 14:1 in some cases (Mazda).

Whereas a BOOSTED DFI engine MUST be derated, ~10:1 CR, in cruise, off-boost mode.

Most engines run in cruise mode 98% of the time.

Ford's EcoBUST FE problem is compounded by the fact of the CAC collecting water and oil as an emulsion in the bottom of the CAC outflow endcap. Roll a perfectly good EcoBUST engine out of the factory door, within just a few miles engine components will begin to fail (bent connecting rods) due to (partial) hydro-locking.

Ward, Don't you think you were a little hard on the beave last night?

LMAO - I wonder if he ever actually said that. :B

I agree, I got a chuckle out of the response too.

But a small detail....it wasn't 'he' who said it....it was Barbara Billingsley who played the Beav's mother...Mrs. June Cleaver.

[dockmasterdave]

Anybody here ever seriously consider towing with a BMW honda nissan or Mini? Here's some good info.
http://wardsauto.com/news-amp-analysis/10-best-engines-0



"Roll a perfectly good EcoBUST engine out of the factory door, within just a few miles engine components will begin to fail (bent connecting rods) due to (partial) hydro-locking".

C'mon, if this were true people would be screaming and they'd be recalling them.
Every news story I've read on them say "turbos are the wave of the future, it's just a matter of time till the other manufacturers figure this out".

[ScottG]

Hannibal wrote:

wwest wrote:
The EcoBUST engine MUST run in derated mode when not using BOOST.

An N/A DFI engine can have a compression above 12:1 even 14:1 in some cases (Mazda).

Whereas a BOOSTED DFI engine MUST be derated, ~10:1 CR, in cruise, off-boost mode.

Most engines run in cruise mode 98% of the time.

Ford's EcoBUST FE problem is compounded by the fact of the CAC collecting water and oil as an emulsion in the bottom of the CAC outflow endcap. Roll a perfectly good EcoBUST engine out of the factory door, within just a few miles engine components will begin to fail (bent connecting rods) due to (partial) hydro-locking.

Ward, Don't you think you were a little hard on the beave last night?

LMAO - I wonder if he ever actually said that. :B

[Hannibal]

wwest wrote:
The EcoBUST engine MUST run in derated mode when not using BOOST.

An N/A DFI engine can have a compression above 12:1 even 14:1 in some cases (Mazda).

Whereas a BOOSTED DFI engine MUST be derated, ~10:1 CR, in cruise, off-boost mode.

Most engines run in cruise mode 98% of the time.

Ford's EcoBUST FE problem is compounded by the fact of the CAC collecting water and oil as an emulsion in the bottom of the CAC outflow endcap. Roll a perfectly good EcoBUST engine out of the factory door, within just a few miles engine components will begin to fail (bent connecting rods) due to (partial) hydro-locking.

Ward, Don't you think you were a little hard on the beave last night?

[wwest]

The EcoBUST engine MUST run in derated mode when not using BOOST.

An N/A DFI engine can have a compression above 12:1 even 14:1 in some cases (Mazda).

Whereas a BOOSTED DFI engine MUST be derated, ~10:1 CR, in cruise, off-boost mode.

Most engines run in cruise mode 98% of the time.

Ford's EcoBUST FE problem is compounded by the fact of the CAC collecting water and oil as an emulsion in the bottom of the CAC outflow endcap. Roll a perfectly good EcoBUST engine out of the factory door, within just a few miles engine components will begin to fail (bent connecting rods) due to (partial) hydro-locking.

[kaydeejay]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

BenK wrote:
There is a reason why EPA MPG goals does NOT apply to +8.5K GVWR vehicles

They are 'work' vehicles and anything lower are 'cars'

I do not know Wards and guess will have to find out how credible they are to me...

Ben as far as credibility goes, look at who Wards picked for 4th on the list some years ago. :B

I guess reliability wasn't factored into their evaluations:E

[Hannibal]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

BenK wrote:
There is a reason why EPA MPG goals does NOT apply to +8.5K GVWR vehicles

They are 'work' vehicles and anything lower are 'cars'

I do not know Wards and guess will have to find out how credible they are to me...

Ben as far as credibility goes, look at who Wards picked for 4th on the list some years ago. :B

Now that's some funny sheet right there!:B

[ScottG]

45Ricochet wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Ben as far as credibility goes, look at who Wards picked for 4th on the list some years ago. :B

ROTFLMAO

Wow, ya, that's puts them in the same league as Consumer Reports.

[Hannibal]

Grit dog wrote:

Hannibal wrote:
I've owned several Chrysler products as well as Ford products. I've never had any problem achieving either's rated fuel mileage. I easily get 14 city and 17+ interstate with my 5.4L F250 that the F150 was rated for. Even my Prius easily gives it's EPA rated 48mpg highway and 51mpg city. On the other hand, I can easily achieve much less than EPA rated fuel mileage on any vehicle with short trips in cold weather or excessive heavy pedal stop and go city or excessive speed on the interstate. I wouldn't refrain from buying a vehicle based on the likes or dislikes of the Lexus crowd. Damn the egg on the gas pedal trick. Put it on the brake pedal and you'll get EPA rated fuel mileage on any vehicle.

Hahaha I have yet to see ANY of the 20+ gasser trucks I've had get the epa est mileage. Cept maybe downhill with a tailwind. Lol
You must be that guy doing 53 mph down the freeway in the middle lane drafting a semi truck!

Not. I set cruise on 72-74mph most of the time. I have a friend/co-worker who can't hold a steady cruise. His right foot is on and off the gas constantly as he talks endlessly while he drives. He gets lousy mileage no matter what he drives. My guess is you're one of those.

[45Ricochet]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Ben as far as credibility goes, look at who Wards picked for 4th on the list some years ago. :B

ROTFLMAO